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Seymour Hersh Alleges Obama Administration Lied on Syria Gas Attack [View all] 4dsc Dec 2013 OP

Hersh - Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2013 #1

Here's a direct link to the Hersh piece. I haven't read it yet; doing so now. arcane1 Dec 2013 #3

Hersh is usually right? LMFAO!!! Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #9

R-i-i-i-i-ght.... Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2013 #12

The BIG difference, if this is true, is that bush started a war, Obama didn't!!!! George II Dec 2013 #14

Oh Libya wasn't a war? The Afghanistan surge wasn't a war? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #16

We're talking about SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! George II Dec 2013 #19

He didn't because he couldn't. It would have been obvious that he started a war only because he was Ace Acme Dec 2013 #26

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Never been there, sorry. Put in a lot of time fighting them elsewhere during the Bush years. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #35

don't you mean illegally invading olddad56 Dec 2013 #46

However if it was not clear that Assad used CW, then it is not clear he crossed the red line karynnj Dec 2013 #55

What? TiberiusB Dec 2013 #95

nice analysis...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #100

Obama's position on international law was made clear on his third day in office Ace Acme Dec 2013 #173

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #118

there's Bill Clinton to thanks for that 'wuss' thing... Whisp Dec 2013 #187

Obama did not start Libya or Afghanistan. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #49

He started our involvement in Libya and escalated our involvement in Afghanistan. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #86

That is true. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #87

Yup, I remember those thousands of dead Americans in Libya... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #88

Oh I see. If no Americans die, it's not a war. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #89

"Technically" it was a NATO adventure. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #101

Obama cares a great deal about Syria, for no other reason than it implicates the entire geek tragedy Dec 2013 #151

What does your rant have to do with the subject? gholtron Dec 2013 #155

It wasn't hard to be correct during the Bush years Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #32

Do you know that his information wasn't correct? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #24

I don't even need to go back to his Iran attack allegations. Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #39

An Obama Administration Hater? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #48

Truth hurts, eh? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #54

No, I think the truth is great. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #59

You don't have a clue Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #64

Where did I say I agreed with his article or conclusions? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #65

Now you're gonna play coy and pretend like the article didn't stimulate you? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #67

Go back and read my post. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #68

The UN report pointed the finger at Assad and they had substantial evidence Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #70

Assad? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #71

Don't worry...the attack on Iran is imminent still!!!1(one)!!1 Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #73

Jesus fuck. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #74

I know you didn't say it. Hersh has been saying it for years Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #76

"stimulated and coy?" Hissyspit Dec 2013 #83

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Bullshit. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #85

No, the U.N. report does not point the finger at anyone. TiberiusB Dec 2013 #97

Indeed their mandate was not to assign blame...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #104

Excuse me.. but do you honestly believe that Iran wasn't on Bush's hit list? 2banon Dec 2013 #96

Nice Try billhicks76 Dec 2013 #107

plus one questionseverything Dec 2013 #159

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Interesting. Seymour Hersh isn't one to bullshit. Autumn Dec 2013 #2

The Yahoo article doesn't report the full article... ReRe Dec 2013 #21

Thanks ReRe, reading it now. Autumn Dec 2013 #31

Results are what matters in this case and Obama did the smart thing. 4bucksagallon Dec 2013 #4

+1 BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #6

I believe they already have been dismantled, or are in the process of being destroyed George II Dec 2013 #20

None have been destroyed. former9thward Dec 2013 #152

So you are saying the end justifies the means? Wow. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #52

Interesting write-up about Hersh... DonViejo Dec 2013 #5

This part really surprised me. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #7

I have very mixed emotions about Hersh... DonViejo Dec 2013 #10

I'm right there with you, DonViejo. I don't know what to think of Sy Hersh as BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #43

I find Huffington Post's involvement here to be at least a wee bit DonViejo Dec 2013 #50

Arianna Huffington and AOL are both pro-Republican/Libertarian. At the moment, HuffPo BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #121

Yep, Arianna has been... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #123

More evidence that he's gone off the deep end and is not believable. George II Dec 2013 #23

Yeah, Hersh sure likes to throw out that everyone's lying but him. Cha Dec 2013 #62

I know, Cha. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #122

He and Alex Jones agree, then. The next paragraph on the Wikipedia page is Bircher offal: freshwest Dec 2013 #105

I wouldn't have expected anything else. al_liberal Dec 2013 #8

According to a Rolling Stone article in 2009 Ace Acme Dec 2013 #22

You must not have read the article, then. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #57

Which is why we're now in an endless Iraq style war in Syria I suppose. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #117

Yet ANOTHER anti-Obama post on "Democratic" Underground!!!!!! George II Dec 2013 #11

listen to what The Man said reddread Dec 2013 #15

You can allege anything you want. But you're a mouldering monarch and Hersh is a journalist. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #25

Yes, we know. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #30

So it's perfectly acceptable to post something whose veracitiy is quesionable.... George II Dec 2013 #124

The source makes it relevant news. -nt Bradical79 Dec 2013 #184

BBC - "France: Syrian government 'behind chemical attack'" TomCADem Dec 2013 #13

Human Rights Watch - "Dispatches: Mapping the Sarin Flight Path" - Points Finger at Syrian Govt TomCADem Dec 2013 #17

Thank you - John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" George II Dec 2013 #18

Quoting the bible is sure gonna bolster your go west young man Dec 2013 #80

Sy Hersh Writing about Politicized Intelligence Again, Syria Edition Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #27

The UN report was pretty conclusive, if all the others weren't enough bhikkhu Dec 2013 #28

The charter of the people writing the UN report did NOT include assigning blame karynnj Dec 2013 #61

The evidence was pretty conclusive bhikkhu Dec 2013 #78

I completely agree with you - I was just pointing out that the reason the UN document stopped karynnj Dec 2013 #82

The title of the article is "Whose Sarin" ReRe Dec 2013 #29

He attempts to accuse Obama of lying about the gas attack without saying Obama was incorrect geek tragedy Dec 2013 #91

Hey, look it... ReRe Dec 2013 #120

Fine, but then why did our allies in the region insist that it was Assad? ucrdem Dec 2013 #33

You know what, Americans overall didn't care. Iliyah Dec 2013 #36

I allege Hersh is a whacko and full of shit. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #37

Then you would be wrong wouldn't you. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #58

Benghazi !!!111!!!! freshwest Dec 2013 #38

Basically. ucrdem Dec 2013 #41

ROFL +100 SoapBox Dec 2013 #42

All right, if you wanna be that way, take this! freshwest Dec 2013 #47

Ohhhhhhhhh... SoapBox Dec 2013 #66

Are we supposed to know and trust the "London Review of Books"? SoapBox Dec 2013 #40

It's a pity that you don't know it. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #51

OK... SoapBox Dec 2013 #60

They put up a variety of worthwhile articles on international affairs, occasionally muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #110

Shemp's rule of thumb Shemp Howard Dec 2013 #44

I read through the whole thing, found it hard to follow. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #45

I went back and re-read that last paragraph. SoapBox Dec 2013 #53

But other countries also said al-Assad was responsible... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #56

We're destroying the chem weapons. Who doubts, at this point, that Assad was responsible? TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #63

Possibly they were. Shemp Howard Dec 2013 #75

And me. But nobody paid any mind to me. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #81

Oh bullshit. LOTS of us disagreed with Bush's claims of WMDs. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #138

The swooners will have a fit over this because they don't actually read the piece PSPS Dec 2013 #69

Hersh's piece is dishonest in several ways. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #92

One of the best blogs out there on this subject. go west young man Dec 2013 #98

Ya...that looks reliable Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #109

I guess David Duke was unavailable for comment. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #116

Many DU'ers have seen how you guys operate in a "team" go west young man Dec 2013 #129

You praised a far rightwing bigot and professional liar to support your conspiracy theory geek tragedy Dec 2013 #134

Your problem is you think everyone who criticizes anything the US does go west young man Dec 2013 #142

As I said, people like you who get their news from sources that claim geek tragedy Dec 2013 #145

I didn't double down. go west young man Dec 2013 #163

Yes, you acted like refusing to watch videos from a fraudulent racist website geek tragedy Dec 2013 #171

Finally you admit they are "head choppers" go west young man Dec 2013 #186

"I'll take advice on credibility from you as quickly as I'll take marksmanship lessons from Dick Ch" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #161

Here come the usual circle jerk. go west young man Dec 2013 #172

From my "circle jerk" to yours, say hi to Dick Cheney for me! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #179

I've observed this gang-flaming as well. n/t cosmicone Jan 2014 #191

Walid Shoebat is a con-man - probably the most unreliable person on the Middle East muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #111

You just cited the equivalent of Stormfront geek tragedy Dec 2013 #113

I'm not believing everything he writes. go west young man Dec 2013 #125

You vouched for the guy. Videos are worthless without authentication and context. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #126

Of course you don't watch them. go west young man Dec 2013 #127

The fifth time you lie and say that I, and the President, wanted to support Al Qaeda in geek tragedy Dec 2013 #135

Janes Defense Weekly says otherwise. go west young man Dec 2013 #144

Yes, you are the liar by saying that I support Al Qaeda in Syria. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #148

Let me get this straight.... go west young man Dec 2013 #164

Maybe you should read your own links. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #178

Here's a few things directly from Janes you won't have to cast off as right wing tripe. go west young man Dec 2013 #181

That makes six times you've lied and stated I want to arm members geek tragedy Dec 2013 #183

Couldn't help but notice you fail go west young man Dec 2013 #185

One other thing..if you go through all my posts to you above go west young man Dec 2013 #188

I remember "the who did it" being discussed here at the time. Hersch isn't giving us notadmblnd Dec 2013 #182

Hersch has been right about many things; all in all, snot Dec 2013 #72

Of course they lied. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #77

So you're one of those who believe Assad and Putin are telling the truth geek tragedy Dec 2013 #93

Yeah, I suppose. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #112

You have your feelings, HRW and the UN have facts. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #115

Sure they do. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #162

Ah, the good old "everyone who disagrees with me is part of a conspiracy' rejoinder nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #167

Not necessarily. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #170

I agree on that. Especially w/r/t Iran nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #176

Nobody pays attention to Sy Hersh anymore is what this is all about BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #79

Hersh has gone the way of Bob Woodward, desperately trying to make himself relevant. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #90

Russia did turn things around TiberiusB Dec 2013 #102

Except all evidence points towards Obama being geek tragedy Dec 2013 #114

Russia did not do that utilaterally and was UNINTERESTED even a few months before karynnj Dec 2013 #132

Sweet little lies blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #94

Al-Nusra agentS Dec 2013 #99

Al-Nusra may be extreme, but that's not the same as insane...sometimes TiberiusB Dec 2013 #106

Israel seems to be reasonably happy with Assad (and less happy with the jihadists) agentS Dec 2013 #108

*yawn* ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #103

+1 nolabels Dec 2013 #128

Whose sarin ? dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #119

Dispy you know the staunch Obama defenders don't want to see that. go west young man Dec 2013 #130

They are Democrats before they are human beings. Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #131

No, you're just incapable of disagreeing with people without dehumanizing them. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #136

Look at me dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #133

Obama was right, it was the regime. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #137

Your source is Human Rights Watch? Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #139

Their source is Human Rights Watch until it's not Human Rights Watch. go west young man Dec 2013 #141

To be fair, any organization is going to have both successes and failures Maedhros Dec 2013 #153

Just to be clear, HRW is anything but uncritically supportive of the President geek tragedy Dec 2013 #160

Agreed. go west young man Dec 2013 #165

You can tell who is reasonable and knowlegeable and who is simply a shill Maedhros Dec 2013 #180

Funny, no one asked me about the Georgian conflict. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #157

Shoebat and the UN agreed on the Georgian Conflict. go west young man Dec 2013 #166

Still not giving a shit what Shoebat has to say about anything. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #177

Along with every single other credible source/organization. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #143

This must be great news for any future inciters of war. go west young man Dec 2013 #146

"all you have to do is get similar weaponry and fire it from the right azimuth" geek tragedy Dec 2013 #149

And yet the Syrian rebels go west young man Dec 2013 #168

Only in a childish fantasy influenced by Hollywood would they be able to do so. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #174

Proof from Janes that the rebels have the same launchers. go west young man Dec 2013 #189

We're not going to war in Syria. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #140

Thanks to the British and American people. Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #147

Oh bullshit, peddle your ODS lies somewhere else. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #150

Unwarranted slur and personal attack. Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #154

Hypocrisy much? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #156

Don't worry. go west young man Dec 2013 #169

People interested in intelligent debate do not cite Shoebat.com as "one of the better blogs" geek tragedy Dec 2013 #175

Good for Hersh cosmicone Jan 2014 #190

So since the European Union agreed it Assad was responsible for the gas attack as well Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #192

Only France did cosmicone Jan 2014 #193