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137. LOL, I know all about Richard Gage- just like his buddy Alex Jones

Tue Dec 10, 2013, 01:15 PM

Dec 2013

I guess the NIST is in on the conspiracy as well

Thermite! Molten Steel! Controlled Demolition! CGI Planes!

"In 2005, a report from the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was initiated by a "progressive collapse" caused by the jet impacts and the resultant fires. A 2008 NIST report described a similar progressive collapse as the cause of the destruction of the third tallest building located at the World Trade Center site, the 7 WTC. Many mainstream scientists choose not to debate proponents of 9/11 conspiracy theories, saying they do not want to lend them unwarranted credibility.[47]"

The best part

After the publication of the results of NIST's inquiry into the collapse of 7 WTC, Richard Gage called a news conference,[6] and leaders of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth dismissed NIST's investigation as flawed. When told of the claims, Shyam Sunder, lead investigator from NIST, responded: "I am really not a psychologist. Our job was to come up with the best science."[7]

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9/11 Link To Saudi Arabia Is Topic Of 28 Redacted Pages In Government Report; Congressmen Push For R [View all] Indi Guy Dec 2013 OP

"Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) & Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #1

Imagine your buddies has unlimited loot... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #94

As long as we're talking about rich Muslims Ace Acme Dec 2013 #103

"The Muslim world" TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #105

I wasn't talking about the Muslim World. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #106

I must have misread your post... TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #109

I guess that just proves that, as I said, I don't get it. :>) Ace Acme Dec 2013 #114

An Arab Prince wrote the City of NY a check for $10MM Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #153

He's the one who was building the ground zero mosque, and he's been the #2 shareholder of NewsCorp. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #177

Its all about the Benjamins and the Carlisle Connection warrant46 Dec 2013 #233

Hmmmmm. Seems like there's more there than one might imagine... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #245

Birds of a feather---- flock---- warrant46 Dec 2013 #247

Indeed. Here's an interesting article... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #249

These guys are obviously petrosexuals n/t eridani Dec 2013 #127

Still funny ^^^^This^^^^ Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #237

What is on the recacted pages riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #2

PNAC PNAC PNAC PNAC That is the document that spelled it out. And the bush crime family loudsue Dec 2013 #17

don't forget the Bin Ladens also! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #45

Zzactly. Bin Ladens are the biggest construction co. for the Saudi royal family. loudsue Dec 2013 #55

The bin Laden's that were partners with HW Bush in a militiary supply company - Carlyle? lark Dec 2013 #138

Bin Ladens were in town on 9/11 for a board meeting with Bush, Sr. and the Carlyle Group. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #154

PNAC's Open LETTER TO CLINTON - Run-up to War Officially Began in 1998 _ a brief synopsis... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #175

The only media personality I recall discussing the Saudi Royals involvement VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #3

Larry King mainstreetonce Dec 2013 #18

No no no...that is NOT what I am talking about... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #21

Yes it was Senator Graham... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #23

Inquiring minds can't help but wonder who all are being protected in those redacted pages, indepat Dec 2013 #57

That's none of your business! Government business is government business, and none of yours! nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #84

The bidness of America is bidness and the bidness of government is to nurture and indepat Dec 2013 #98

Republicon OCCULTISM works to keep America in the dark about 9/11 Berlum Dec 2013 #112

As soon as the FIRST plane hit, huh? How very interesting. Raksha Dec 2013 #311

New to me, too. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #315

You might be able to check mainstreetonce Dec 2013 #340

Bush was protecting his relationship with the Saudi princes? Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #4

No, just one big coincidence. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #58

Actually, the airspace had just reopened KamaAina Dec 2013 #76

Actually, I think you are wrong Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #248

If I'm wrong, the 9/11 Commission was, too KamaAina Dec 2013 #251

Well, fu k them. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #252

Please see... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #253

...So many 'coincidences' surrounding the entire matter. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #223

And don't forget that 1 plane was supposed to hit the white house LiberalArkie Dec 2013 #377

Pretty sure it would have been the Capitol. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #378

+1 Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #134

Powell's inability to convince the UN should have clued Americans in. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #155

During those days there was an atmosphere of fear among politicians & journalists,... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #217

I think the framework can be found in the PNAC documents, and the implementation Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #156

likely grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #332

Don't question authority Ezlivin Dec 2013 #5

Exactly billhicks76 Dec 2013 #12

The so so-called "Truthers" generally claim that the Saudis didn't do 9-11 cpwm17 Dec 2013 #20

It seems you're not interested in what really happened, not interested in government secrecy, Ace Acme Dec 2013 #22

Very Eloquent billhicks76 Dec 2013 #52

Actually those who are seeking the truth about 9/11 Ezlivin Dec 2013 #26

I don't believe in any "official story" cpwm17 Dec 2013 #41

Nonsense! a truther(as I am) merely knows we were lied to and wants the truth! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #46

+1 simple as that BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #48

I'm not a truther and I know we were lied to cpwm17 Dec 2013 #49

And it seems that all you're interested in is truthers being wrong. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #56

you're correct that you're not a truther.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #81

thank you wildbill barbtries Dec 2013 #141

A "Truther" comes with a whole lot of baggage cpwm17 Dec 2013 #168

On Planet Cpwm, a "truther" comes with a whole lot of baggage Ace Acme Dec 2013 #169

yada yada, blah blah! thanks for your opinion... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #173

Doesn't it raise your suspicions when emotional rhetoric is developed which is intended to... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #176

They are self described as "truthers" cpwm17 Dec 2013 #178

I don't believe you are correct. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #179

Visit the Creative Speculation Group cpwm17 Dec 2013 #180

I'm familiar with that forum and also with... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #181

911Truth.org loses all credibility when they promote nonsense cpwm17 Dec 2013 #191

Really? Indi Guy Dec 2013 #192

Obviously they are promoting demolitions of the buildings cpwm17 Dec 2013 #193

That's all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #194

Gravity pulls towards the center of mass of an object cpwm17 Dec 2013 #195

Gravity pulls toward the center of mass of the system, i.e., the earth. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #197

That's not what I experienced at all. AZCat Dec 2013 #201

Most structural engineers were surprised when the towers fell, says NOVA. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #211

That's not my experience. AZCat Dec 2013 #218

Maybe the engineers you've talked to are afraid to challenge groupthink? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #224

Engineers are no better than any other group of people - maybe worse. AZCat Dec 2013 #256

40 PhD engineers in AE911Truth are calling for new investigations. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #258

Lots, probably. AZCat Dec 2013 #260

Probably. IOW, you can't name anyone. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #261

It's not really that interesting a question for me. AZCat Dec 2013 #263

Right, you're more comfortable with your evidence-free assumptions. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #265

Actually, it's those versed in "truther" pseudo-science William Seger Dec 2013 #202

Nobody says that buildings injured at the top should topple from the bottom. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #208

LOL, when I was a little kid... William Seger Dec 2013 #214

You have changed the subject from your false claim Ace Acme Dec 2013 #215

Bullshit William Seger Dec 2013 #216

You said in post 202 "toppled over like trees". Trees topple from the bottom. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #219

I respect your stance on the events of that day... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #199

The towers looked nothing like controlled demolitions cpwm17 Dec 2013 #203

I think you've got things a little backward here. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #205

It's bat-shit crazy to believe that the buildings were taken down by demolitions cpwm17 Dec 2013 #207

Why do you think access was impossible? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #212

I have made no claims other than to question yours,... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #213

Your take on the physical evidence is radically dogmatic... mallard Dec 2013 #325

So it appears that you disagree with the OP and Sen. Bob Graham cpwm17 Dec 2013 #331

Just a couple of things for now... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #333

Neither of those is that surprising, really. AZCat Dec 2013 #338

For the time being... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #339

Are you arguing that materials can be determined from colors in photos? AZCat Dec 2013 #350

So you are claiming that Professors of Engineering don't know steel when they see it? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #345

Anybody can be mistaken, no matter what the qualifications. AZCat Dec 2013 #353

What about melting of girders do you not understand? Do you think there were lead girders? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #355

Narratives are one thing, hard evidence another. AZCat Dec 2013 #356

Indeed they are. Which is why NIST's narrative is an unacceptable substitute for hard evidence. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #362

Gosh, if only they had hard evidence. AZCat Dec 2013 #364

The 10,000 pages contain only a one-paragraph narration of the propagation of the collapse Ace Acme Dec 2013 #366

It has more than that. AZCat Dec 2013 #367

Oh, so it's two paragraphs? It's been a while since I've looked at it. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #370

At the link you posted... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #373

The Scientific Method Ace Acme Dec 2013 #375

Thank you for responding. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #376

Large aircraft struck the towers. The towers fell down. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #343

It appears that you don't read very carefully. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #347

It appears that you mistook my response to cpwm for a response to you. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #349

I owe you an apology. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #351

Not at all. You made an understandable error. The non-indented posts are confusing. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #357

There's a way to view sub-threads that shows indenting. AZCat Dec 2013 #358

There was nothing chaotic about the towers' collapse. The order is the surprising thing. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #209

Well stated. Also, although it's obvious that WTC7 fell virtually at free fall speed as well... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #221

Too many advocates of 9/11 conspiracy theories make repulsive (and unconvincing) claims of proof. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #225

Yes; and on the other side of the coin... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #226

And the twenty-two witnesses who heard explosions and saw the cracks they caused Th1onein Dec 2013 #230

That is remarkable testimony BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #232

This is interesting... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #235

Very Interesting thanks!...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #240

Checkout... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #241

I wonder why there is no similar august body of architects, physic experts, and engineers Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #243

Common sense demands that... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #244

It's common sense to ask that the government deliver the objectives of the reports. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #246

From everything I've read... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #250

Most of the relevant professional organizations agree with the conclusions of the NIST. AZCat Dec 2013 #257

Failing to dispute the conclusions is hardly agreeing with the conclusions. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #259

I'm not going to bet, because it's not that interesting a consideration. AZCat Dec 2013 #262

I don't need to know anything about dynamic loading. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #264

You don't? Then why are you making claims about it? AZCat Dec 2013 #267

Please respond to post # 266 n/t Indi Guy Dec 2013 #268

Please have a little patience. n/t AZCat Dec 2013 #271

I'm not. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #269

That's not what your post says. AZCat Dec 2013 #273

It must be pretty damned interesting because it keeps..... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #382

Since you edited to include another section after I responded... AZCat Dec 2013 #274

How can organizations concur with conclusions NIST has refused to publish? Indi Guy Dec 2013 #266

That isn't the conclusions. AZCat Dec 2013 #270

What about the thermal expansion calcs that NIST refused to release on grounds of public safety? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #275

Again, you should refrain from discussing topics out of your bailiwick. AZCat Dec 2013 #277

There is no reason for me to do calculations NIST refuses to release. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #279

Again, your logic is bizarre. AZCat Dec 2013 #281

The reality is that their calcs have not been released. No check on that is necesary. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #282

Sure it is. AZCat Dec 2013 #283

They haven't checked that the calcs have been released, because they haven't been. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #285

They've checked by doing their own work. All competent professionals should... AZCat Dec 2013 #287

Doing their own work is not releasing the calcs. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #289

I think you've lost the thread of this conversation. AZCat Dec 2013 #291

Does the fact that NIST won't release data which appear to be crucial to their conclusions... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #278

I don't remember saying I agreed with the NIST. AZCat Dec 2013 #280

Thanks for the honest explanations & responses to my questions. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #284

I would hope the NIST's info is better quality. AZCat Dec 2013 #286

NIST's WTC7 models bear no resemblance to reality. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #288

Interestingly enough, I was surprised when the NIST modelled the collapse. AZCat Dec 2013 #290

Yeah, the real collapse turned out to be simpler than a tortured, complicated model. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #292

How many times do I need to remind you it's not a good idea... AZCat Dec 2013 #293

It's not simple to someone who labors to complicate it, that's for certain. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #295

That doesn't make any sense. AZCat Dec 2013 #302

That makes perfect sense. Lawyers labor to complicate every issue to gain advantage Ace Acme Dec 2013 #303

Why are we talking about lawyers? AZCat Dec 2013 #309

Because some of us around here act like public-spirited citizens seeking investigations` Ace Acme Dec 2013 #316

To which group belong the posters who think they know something about physics... AZCat Dec 2013 #318

Claiming mistakes is not noting them. You make empty claims. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #320

You posted a definition of kinetic energy, claiming that was the energy equation. AZCat Dec 2013 #322

I posted the equation for kinetic energy. You're playing some juvenile game. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #334

I'm not the one pretending to know something about a subject... AZCat Dec 2013 #337

Obsessive posting of empty claims makes a guy look foolish. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #346

That's why my claims aren't empty. AZCat Dec 2013 #352

Your claims aren't empty to you. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #361

Unsubstantiated in what way? AZCat Dec 2013 #363

Unsubstantiated in that your assertions reference no authority but that of an Ace Acme Dec 2013 #365

I don't rely on my authority. AZCat Dec 2013 #368

You expect me to. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #371

I'm curious. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #372

Really, NIST published this as their model of how WTC 7 went down? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #304

Also note, they cut off the animation before the collapse is finished. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #305

I think you're making much ado about nothing. AZCat Dec 2013 #307

NIST's implicit admission that their analysis is inconsistent with laws of physics is nothing? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #312

I think you're reading too much into this. AZCat Dec 2013 #317

Given your apparent emotional investment in the notion of NIST's integrity, no surprise there. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #319

What investment is that? AZCat Dec 2013 #321

Oh, you haven't spent many years here bullying people who question the official reports? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #323

No, I haven't. AZCat Dec 2013 #324

Making empty claims that I have a poor grasp of physics is not bullying? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #326

Making empty claims might be. AZCat Dec 2013 #327

What is the reality? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #328

I think that's a false construct. AZCat Dec 2013 #329

Sorry, but I have to chime in here. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #330

I didn't say you shouldn't consider that it might lie. AZCat Dec 2013 #336

I get that; but... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #341

You can always question. In fact, it's an important component... AZCat Dec 2013 #354

On the basis of protecting democracy alone Ace Acme Dec 2013 #359

While I'm not out demonstrating in the streets... AZCat Dec 2013 #360

Public safety??? Indi Guy Dec 2013 #369

It's a lost cause, in my opinion. AZCat Dec 2013 #310

Thanks for sharing. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #314

You're welcome, by the way. n/t AZCat Dec 2013 #294

Yeah, we're so lucky to have someone here who knows all the secrets of all the secret modeling Ace Acme Dec 2013 #296

I'm not sure where you get these ridiculous notions. AZCat Dec 2013 #297

You forgot post 280? Did someone else write it? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #299

Then why didn't you respond to that instead of #294? AZCat Dec 2013 #300

'Cause I like to think I'm cutting edge, looking forward, not back. Y'know? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #306

That isn't consistent with your posting history, in my opinion. AZCat Dec 2013 #308

If you don't know that cutting edge often involves very old stuff Ace Acme Dec 2013 #313

Oooo! Oooo! I know! I know! Ace Acme Dec 2013 #272

That's a strange approach. AZCat Dec 2013 #276

Wow, and here's the 911 truth dot org site publishing an article on the Saudis Th1onein Dec 2013 #229

That is a very interesting and pertinent article. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #254

Condi lied under oath when she claimed that the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" memo Ace Acme Dec 2013 #51

Government officials, like everybody else, lie to cover their own butts cpwm17 Dec 2013 #59

So at 2:30 you claim that truthers can't show that the government lied Ace Acme Dec 2013 #71

She Lied About This Too billhicks76 Dec 2013 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Ace Acme Dec 2013 #53

You mean the evidence that the government wants you to believe, don't you? Th1onein Dec 2013 #228

Not One Unified View billhicks76 Dec 2013 #50

there's more than one set of questions about 9/11 & more than one person asking or trying to answer yurbud Dec 2013 #144

"Truthers," as the name implies, are demanding the truth from our government. Th1onein Dec 2013 #227

Brilliant post .. Lenomsky Dec 2013 #27

Of course. How can this possibly be such a surprise closeupready Dec 2013 #6

of course the saudis are responsible they wanted the troops we had there at the airbase leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #7

Old news.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #8

Great clip, but it says nothing about the news in the OP that... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #15

There's always THIS... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #19

Once again... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #29

Considering the Bush / FOX "News" / Saudi relationship I figure there are SEVERAL smoking guns. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #43

it was more than that. yurbud Dec 2013 #101

Well sure it was. Suicide crazies are made to order there. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #102

aren't you at least a little curious what went on with the Saudi gov't and 9/11, given that the whol yurbud Dec 2013 #123

I get that the Republicans run by Cheney used 9/11 as if it was a gift.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #140

does it matter to you whether they just "used" it versus at minimum protecting those actually guilty yurbud Dec 2013 #142

Sure, but every time anyone mentions actions against the Saudis we hear they're too big to fail. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #145

What they did needs to at least be made clear, so the public can evaluate whether "too big to fail" yurbud Dec 2013 #147

There are some people in this country who believe it was Hollywood Liberals. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #148

the bigger they are, the more they need to take a fall for their crimes yurbud Dec 2013 #170

The bigger they are, the more people WANT to see them fall. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #222

Here's former senator with first-hand knowledge, Bob Graham on the same matter: BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #9

Good post... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #238

And I still say packman Dec 2013 #10

"You think I want to send my son to die in Kuwait?" KansDem Dec 2013 #11

2003 CBS report claims the 28 pages are about Saudi involvement Ace Acme Dec 2013 #13

Tim Osman! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #54

If wikileaks or anonymous were to release anything, these 28 pages would be it... Javaman Dec 2013 #14

From your lips to Anonymous/Wikileaks ears. loudsue Dec 2013 #31

Wikileaks declared a long time ago that they don't do 9/11. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #34

I can understand their position. loudsue Dec 2013 #38

This is the reason why CTs linger about 9/11 blackspade Dec 2013 #16

That, and the fact that it would have been near impossible for one guy to bring four planes down FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #161

Didn't Bush stroll down the lane holding hands Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #24

Kissed him, too. loudsue Dec 2013 #32

Isn't that what's done... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #118

In this particular case, it was America that got screwed. nt Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #157

Conspiracies don't exist, there is nothing to see, here, go back to sleep. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #25

Thanks Joe. For the record... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #117

There are many unanswered questions regarding the events of 9/11 debunkthis Dec 2013 #28

I'll debunk that. Those cuts were made in the cleanup process by a thermal lance. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #30

Holy shit AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #35

I don't think so. I'm on the side of truth. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #36

Uh-huh. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #37

That is a first responder in the lower left image debunkthis Dec 2013 #39

Firefighters were present at all stages of debris removal. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #40

Ok then debunkthis Dec 2013 #63

Define 'just after the collapse'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #64

What that shows is not an angle-cut column but a perimeter column module perched at the top Ace Acme Dec 2013 #75

Hmmm... debunkthis Dec 2013 #110

and with that, Truthy to POWER! snooper2 Dec 2013 #131

There's a lot of nonsense floating around the internet--and a lot of the 9/11 stuff is like Ace Acme Dec 2013 #136

LOL, I know all about Richard Gage- just like his buddy Alex Jones snooper2 Dec 2013 #137

A PhD structural engineer can not refute criticisms of his report and must resort Ace Acme Dec 2013 #143

Dude or Dudette, you folks have had over a decade now---You got nothing snooper2 Dec 2013 #146

So now you change the subject from Dr. Sunder's apparent inability to refute criticism Ace Acme Dec 2013 #149

Good post. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #120

got a link for that ? questionseverything Dec 2013 #158

Here you go Ace Acme Dec 2013 #159

all those links say is questionseverything Dec 2013 #164

The meme that the collapse was caused by the planes hitting was put out quickly: Th1onein Dec 2013 #231

That was awkward. thanks ! Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #242

Boring attempt. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #33

Here's a better challenge for you. WTC 7 collapse BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #70

You are distracting from an actual issue. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #74

The Distraction is Pertinent Ace Acme Dec 2013 #82

The Saudi revelations/redactions are a political issue, relevant regardless of whether AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #85

Doubts about the integrity of an official gov't report during a time of politicized science Ace Acme Dec 2013 #87

Not hijacking it was also my intent. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #89

The very fact of the redactions to the official government report... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #121

I OPd on DU about the Saudi issue weeks ago. And I'm free to discuss anything I want BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #88

You are free to state anything you want. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #91

Indeed. And yes, you are free to dismiss my statement. BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #95

ty... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #90

that's a different kind of issue than who actually funded and coordinated the attacks and why they yurbud Dec 2013 #124

k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #42

The Bushes and the Bin Ladens have been doing business together for decades! N/T wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #44

If our government is going to deliberately hide the truth Bradical79 Dec 2013 #47

That seems like a reasonable statement. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #139

According to those who talk shit to CT's, the gov't NEVER lies, everything has been reported & mother earth Dec 2013 #60

Ah, the very definition of a strawman takes shape and rises under it's own power, so large AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #61

Crusader, where's your super hero outfit? The one with the big "S" for sucker. nt mother earth Dec 2013 #65

Surely you can offer just one post from a 'person who shits on CT'rs' that exhibits the elements you AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #66

The blade is dull, AC. You disappoint, and clearly you don't pay attention. nt mother earth Dec 2013 #68

So, no link then. I thought not. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #69

You are always right, that's why you are a superhero. mother earth Dec 2013 #72

Your original assertion remains a strawman. They are not difficult to set on fire. Simply ask for AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #73

I need evidence, but when evidence is hidden away by the gov't, it's completely unnecessary. mother earth Dec 2013 #77

You have none, because no one makes the ridiculous claims you fabricated here. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #78

I've been told that personally in other encounters, specifically the JFK threads of late, not that I mother earth Dec 2013 #79

A link will do. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #80

Who TF are you to demand anything of me? You've got big ones, for sure. mother earth Dec 2013 #83

You made a broad brush attack, a very specific one, against a group of DU members. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #86

Post 41 in this very thread. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #93

And what I wrote is the exact opposite of the claim cpwm17 Dec 2013 #107

OK, my misreading. Confirmation bias is a terrible thing. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #125

That post is accurate. Truther's did not uncover this set of documents. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #119

Truthers are the only ones educating people about them. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #182

Right, that totally explains why the International Business Times ran the story. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #183

Ran what story? When? Did they point out that Condi lied under oath? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #184

They. Ran. The. Story. In. The. Op. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #186

They haven't uncovered the documents. They're still redacted--as truthers have been pointing out Ace Acme Dec 2013 #189

This type of story is an extremely rare occurrence in the MSM... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #185

WaPo's Dana Priest explained the rationale they operate under Ace Acme Dec 2013 #187

I posted these thoughts earlier, but I think they might also be appropriate here... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #188

US media's coverage of 9/11 has been consistently awful noise Dec 2013 #196

I posted this earlier, but it applies directly to what you're saying: Indi Guy Dec 2013 #220

The awful media coverage noise Dec 2013 #234

That's a lie.-nt Bradical79 Dec 2013 #150

It's a pretty fair description of the quality of argument that the "debunkers" employ Ace Acme Dec 2013 #152

That's pretty interesting. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #62

I doubt anything would. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #67

Ohh exciting, I can't wait to hear what bandar bush was up to...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #92

We already know that his wife was writing checks for benefactors of known al Qaeda agents Ace Acme Dec 2013 #97

We're not likely to know anything soon. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #190

I'm impressed a Republican is onboard yurbud Dec 2013 #99

Walter Jones is one of the very few Good Repugs..... KoKo Dec 2013 #111

We attacked one country that had nothing to do with 9/11 & one that was at worst terrorists... yurbud Dec 2013 #100

Taliban was one of 13 foreign countries that warned us before 9/11. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #104

and..... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #115

I guess you disagree with this OP concerning Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11 cpwm17 Dec 2013 #129

Sy Hersh did the definitive story on the bug out at Tora Bora yurbud Dec 2013 #122

I remember Hersh on the Kunduz Airlift. Not so much on Tora Bora. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #126

Remember bin Laden's AQ Fortress at Tora Bora? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #162

yep--I remember later stories that most caves were just deep enough to get out of sight for a minute yurbud Dec 2013 #171

Still believe that the bin Ladens were flying around looking for cheap American land to buy on 9/11 blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #108

And horses. And land for horses. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #113

The time has come. That no Congresscritter went into that "Secret Room" KoKo Dec 2013 #116

K&R! Omaha Steve Dec 2013 #128

This is the time of pretension polynomial Dec 2013 #130

I wish I shared your optimism 2banon Dec 2013 #198

I linked the recent interview of Bob Graham upthread BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #200

Charlie Rose bemoans faltering relationship with Saudi Arabia 2banon Dec 2013 #210

Here's a connection worth looking into... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #342

Is Ptech the connection you were referring to? 2banon Dec 2013 #344

Indeed. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #348

"Move along. Nothing to see here." - CorporateMedia Borg, Inc. (R - Propaganda Catapult) Berlum Dec 2013 #132

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #133

All this dirty Saudi laundry should have been aired out JEB Dec 2013 #135

Mucho wow!! El Shaman Dec 2013 #151

I'll raise your mucho, with a grande wow! Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #163

Howard Dean mused on whether Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11 . . . . Ace Acme Dec 2013 #166

If 9/11 had happened on Obama's watch with the same action/reactions, I guarantee you that Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #167

Some would say that... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #206

My theory posted for the first time anywhere. Soundman Dec 2013 #160

According to FEMA's zipper-pancake theory that was conventional engineering wisdom for 3 years Ace Acme Dec 2013 #165

Nice you could send anyone who was involved to private prisons or tortured, ooops they drowned mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #172

Daniel Hopsicker.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #174

He must be embarrassed by the "freedom fries" BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #204

Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #236

Senator Bob Graham and 9/11 Commissioners Bob Kerry, Max Cleland, Lee Hamilton, and Tom Kean... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #239

9-11 was about selfish, right-wing, bloodsucking parasites in the Middle East cpwm17 Dec 2013 #379

There are a number of points I'd like to discuss with you here... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #380

doesn't look like he's going to touch it eh? wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #383

Thanks for viewing these short clips. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #384

I've been arguing with.... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #385

Thanks. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #386

absolutely! wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #389

and a kick! eom. wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #255

I'm curious to know what the Congressmen think our relationship should be now, TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #298

There's more. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #301

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #335

I'm still trying to get a response... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #374

UPDATE... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #381

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2014 #387

CIA Threatens 9/11 Researchers After Discovery Of Cover Up Details... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #388

Well, the producers should have known that... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #390

what is your take on this please? wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #391

Clearly the colonel is believable,... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #392

thanks... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #393