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happyslug

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33. The Supremacy clause only comes into play when they is a direct conflict
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:57 PM
Dec 2013

For example, if the Federal Law says it is illegal to do X, the State can NOT say X is legal. On the other hand, the Supremacy clause does not mean ALL Federal Law supersedes state. In the Case involving DOMA, the court ruled the FEDERAL LAW as to who the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT will recognized as Married, violated the Constitution, for what is a marriage is reserved to STATE LAW ONLY. Thus the Federal Government can NOT pass a law in areas reserved to the States and then claim the Supremacy Clause.

Now, the court has taken an expansive view of the Federal power to regulate Interstate commerce, to include anything that affects interstate commerce, even if the act in question all occur in one state (The 1941 case where the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on someone growing wheat on his land, that he intended to use himself is an example of that).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
Actual Case:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/case.html

Now, that case is a little more complicated then growing wheat for one's own use (the farmer in question had received money from the Federal Government in regards to other wheat he was growing) but the ruling is the furthest expansion of the Commerce Clause.

Remember the Civil Rights Act of 1875 was ruled to be unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court for it was based on the post Civil Rights amendments, and the court ruled those amendments only protected the rights in the Constitution itself not the Bill of Rights and thus the rights protected in the 1875 Civil Rights Act were viewed as outside the power of Congress granted in the Post Civil War Amendments. The 1875 act would almost be reenacted in the form of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but the 1964 Civil Rights Act was justified under the Commerce Clause and thus upheld by the Supreme Court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1875
Here is the Civil Rights Case that ruled the above unconstitutional:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/109/3/case.html

Thus unless a court finds that something has to do with interstate Commerce, the Federal Government had a very limited field of authority. In the case involving the Federal Ban on Guns within 100 feet of a School, the US Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional for guns in such areas were CLEARLY not affecting interstate commerce. i.e It was unconstitutional for the Federal Government to ban pistols in such locations, but it would be Constitutional for a State to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez
Actual Case:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/514/549/case.html

And since I am citing cases, lets don't forget Printz vs US:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/521/898/case.html

In Printz, the US Supreme Court ruled is was UNCONSTITUTIONAL for the Federal Government to REQUIRE State Sheriffs (or other county chief law enforcement officers) to perform background checks on the grounds they were EMPLOYEES of the STATE EXECUTIVE and thus could NOT be ordered by Congress to do what the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT wanted them to do UNLESS such power was expressly granted to Congress by the US Constitution.

Also look at New York vs US, another Commerce Clause case:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/505/144/case.html

In that case the US Supreme Court ruled that the Federal Government can NOT compel a state to "take title" to low level radioactive waster produced within its borders (and produced NOT by the state but other, mostly private users of the waste). The Federal Government could take title, it could pay the state to take the waster, but the Federal Government could NOT compell the state to take the waste itself on the grounds both the state and federal Government were sovereign and that law in NOT permitted under the Commerce Clause.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printz_v._United_States

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Remind me please how exactly can a state ban any federal agency without violating the constitution? cstanleytech Dec 2013 #1
It may put the NSA into a position pipoman Dec 2013 #4
.They can't "ban" them, but what they can do is Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #6
They can't do that either--nullification doesn't work for either side. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #7
Yeah they can. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #9
Refusing to deploy resources is different from banning the NSA from operating in the state nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #16
And I said in my earlier post that they can't ban them, but they can make it Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #18
Withholding water and electricity is nullification, not refusing cooperation. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #19
If we are talking about things under the control of the State, yes the State can ban them happyslug Dec 2013 #10
The feds however do have control over federal funds and how much the states get cstanleytech Dec 2013 #17
The feds also have supreme jurisdiction over the electric grid and the water supply. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #21
Why do that, all the Federal Government has to do is refused to transmit electricity to Arizona happyslug Dec 2013 #25
Read up on McCulloch vs Maryland. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #29
But can the Federal Government ORDER a state to do something? happyslug Dec 2013 #30
Yes, per the supremacy clause. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #31
The Supremacy clause only comes into play when they is a direct conflict happyslug Dec 2013 #33
None of that takes away from the fact that a state cannot interfere with geek tragedy Dec 2013 #35
So was the refusal of the Plaintiff Sheriffs to follow Federal law. happyslug Dec 2013 #36
The federal government cannot commandeer state resources to enforce federal statutes. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #37
What is state resources??? happyslug Dec 2013 #38
public utilities are n.ot resources of the state government geek tragedy Dec 2013 #39
Sorry, but the idea that states can cut off water and electricity to the enforcement of laws they geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20
My point was restricted to actual ownership of such services happyslug Dec 2013 #24
So, in your view, a state could cut off electricity geek tragedy Dec 2013 #26
If you could get around the concept that a public utility must serve all people in their area. happyslug Dec 2013 #27
You're greatly exaggerating state authority. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #28
I am following the Supreme Court happyslug Dec 2013 #34
NSA has managed to piss off both the left and the right. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2013 #2
So then all their defense would EC Dec 2013 #3
The NSA is hardly "all their defense".. pipoman Dec 2013 #5
Won't be upheld. The way to attack NSA is through Congress. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #8
More idiotic political grandstanding Coyotl Dec 2013 #11
Which wouldn't be possible if so many Dems weren't defending it. JoeyT Dec 2013 #12
Exactly. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #14
Because, you see, Internet traffic is bounded by the borders of AZ. LOL n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #13
That's rich, a GOPer worried about the constitution groundloop Dec 2013 #15
The person is a Tenther. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #22
A good start. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #23
FWIW, Ward is also the genius who proposed Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #32
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