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happyslug

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34. I am following the Supreme Court

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:59 PM

Dec 2013

See my post #33 above for the cases on this subject.

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New Legislation Would Ban NSA From Arizona [View all] Indi Guy Dec 2013 OP

Remind me please how exactly can a state ban any federal agency without violating the constitution? cstanleytech Dec 2013 #1

It may put the NSA into a position pipoman Dec 2013 #4

.They can't "ban" them, but what they can do is Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #6

They can't do that either--nullification doesn't work for either side. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #7

Yeah they can. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #9

Refusing to deploy resources is different from banning the NSA from operating in the state nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #16

And I said in my earlier post that they can't ban them, but they can make it Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #18

Withholding water and electricity is nullification, not refusing cooperation. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #19

If we are talking about things under the control of the State, yes the State can ban them happyslug Dec 2013 #10

The feds however do have control over federal funds and how much the states get cstanleytech Dec 2013 #17

The feds also have supreme jurisdiction over the electric grid and the water supply. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #21

Why do that, all the Federal Government has to do is refused to transmit electricity to Arizona happyslug Dec 2013 #25

Read up on McCulloch vs Maryland. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #29

But can the Federal Government ORDER a state to do something? happyslug Dec 2013 #30

Yes, per the supremacy clause. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #31

The Supremacy clause only comes into play when they is a direct conflict happyslug Dec 2013 #33

None of that takes away from the fact that a state cannot interfere with geek tragedy Dec 2013 #35

So was the refusal of the Plaintiff Sheriffs to follow Federal law. happyslug Dec 2013 #36

The federal government cannot commandeer state resources to enforce federal statutes. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #37

What is state resources??? happyslug Dec 2013 #38

public utilities are n.ot resources of the state government geek tragedy Dec 2013 #39

Sorry, but the idea that states can cut off water and electricity to the enforcement of laws they geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20

My point was restricted to actual ownership of such services happyslug Dec 2013 #24

So, in your view, a state could cut off electricity geek tragedy Dec 2013 #26

If you could get around the concept that a public utility must serve all people in their area. happyslug Dec 2013 #27

You're greatly exaggerating state authority. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #28

I am following the Supreme Court happyslug Dec 2013 #34

NSA has managed to piss off both the left and the right. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2013 #2

So then all their defense would EC Dec 2013 #3

The NSA is hardly "all their defense".. pipoman Dec 2013 #5

Won't be upheld. The way to attack NSA is through Congress. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #8

More idiotic political grandstanding Coyotl Dec 2013 #11

Which wouldn't be possible if so many Dems weren't defending it. JoeyT Dec 2013 #12

Exactly. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #14

Because, you see, Internet traffic is bounded by the borders of AZ. LOL n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #13

That's rich, a GOPer worried about the constitution groundloop Dec 2013 #15

The person is a Tenther. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #22

A good start. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #23

FWIW, Ward is also the genius who proposed Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #32