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31. What is your evidence that he provided them to "our" adversaries?

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:13 AM

Dec 2013

I don't think you have any evidence or proof other than the simple fact that he ended up in China and Russia. Beyond that you have no proof whatsoever.

He says he did not take documents to Russia. I believe him. At least I have more reason to trust his word than to trust the word of anyone in our government with regard to this issue. He knows what he did and did not do and as far as I can tell has been honest about what he has done.

The NSA on the other hand was not honest about what it was doing, and I do not trust any claims it makes now.

That the list of people that the NSA listens to on a regular basis is short does not change the fact that the NSA is collecting a horrific, a dangerously horrific amount of metadata on the American people.

The collection of metadata is to me a greater threat than anything the NSA does outside of placing leaders and agencies in our allied countries under surveillance with no reason at all.

But then, everything the NSA is doing troubles me.

Snowden? Doesn't worry me as much. The Russian and Chinese governments have probably known for a long time just about everything our NSA does. They probably figured it out a long time ago. The Russians were already pretty good hackers in the 1980s as I understand it.

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Snowden stole 'keys to the kingdom': NSA official [View all] Zorro Dec 2013 OP

Starship Cmdr. Alexander *let* Snowden steal this stuff. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #1

Off with the king's head /nt jakeXT Dec 2013 #54

Adversaries, meaning the American people. RC Dec 2013 #2

Adversaries, meaning the Russians and the Chinese Zorro Dec 2013 #7

And the American people. RC Dec 2013 #10

Nope. Unless you are plotting against this country Zorro Dec 2013 #13

You are reading that wrong. RC Dec 2013 #66

and your evidence? frylock Dec 2013 #91

You're going to need to answer two questions for me, please: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #3

Maybe this is why the Saudi-9/11 stuff is coming up again yurbud Dec 2013 #4

"Maybe this is why the Saudi-9/11 stuff is coming up again" KansDem Dec 2013 #44

Wouldn't that be amazing... go west young man Dec 2013 #82

Here's the CBS link... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #5

Good for him. Stuff needed a little more sunlight. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #6

A bigger question is who else stole the keys and what did they do with them? kickysnana Dec 2013 #8

Snowden has compromised intelligence gathering methods and techniques Zorro Dec 2013 #11

Are you stealing Manny's shtick? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #15

Serious as a heart attack Zorro Dec 2013 #16

What makes you think anything accessible to a low level contractor wasn't known by "our adversaries" LeftyMom Dec 2013 #19

Why do you think his access was somehow limited Zorro Dec 2013 #22

Are you accusing the NSA of gross incompetence? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #25

I guess you know more about the situation than the NSA spokesmen Zorro Dec 2013 #28

i think many have wisely decided not to take at face value what the nice NSA spokesmodel has to say frylock Dec 2013 #92

A position right out of the Condi Rice playbook Zorro Dec 2013 #103

beg pardon? frylock Dec 2013 #117

Not so much "knows more"... Dr. Strange Dec 2013 #105

He sweet-talked his way into getting into places he shouldn't have been jmowreader Dec 2013 #34

If he could do that, why couldn't a trained spy? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #36

Thanks for pointing out those here who are scratching like dogs warrant46 Dec 2013 #88

You are a scaredy boy.. sendero Dec 2013 #121

Sorry, I am not about to shoot the messanger and let the bad guys go. kickysnana Dec 2013 #90

Are you asserting that there are no terrorist threats to the US? Zorro Dec 2013 #108

"OUR" adversaries! how funny! MNBrewer Dec 2013 #9

I suppose you don't recall the events of September 11 Zorro Dec 2013 #14

You have evidence Snowden gave "the keys to the kingdom" to some Saudi religious fanatics? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #17

Apparently willful ignorance is not an exclusively Republican characteristic Zorro Dec 2013 #18

So you don't have evidence? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #20

The people that know have been making it quite clear Zorro Dec 2013 #23

I'm skeptical of unevidenced assertions. You should be too. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #26

Perhaps you recall this statement Zorro Dec 2013 #29

Nobody on this thread appears to be buying this shit. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #30

Are you asserting that Snowden did not compromise the security of the country? Zorro Dec 2013 #32

That's not how evidence works. You need to prove that he did. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #33

These are administration spokesmen and people familiar with the situation making these statements Zorro Dec 2013 #35

I'm wondering what color the sky is on your planet. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #37

Do you think the Obama administration is misleading the citizens on this matter? Zorro Dec 2013 #38

I don't believe anybody's unevidenced assertions, and I'm certainly not about to start for LeftyMom Dec 2013 #45

Being in bed carla Dec 2013 #58

Condi Rice was lying solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #70

"Apparently willful ignorance is not an exclusively Republican characteristic" dotymed Dec 2013 #63

For someone who's posted their opinions thousands of times Zorro Dec 2013 #77

And you don't seem to recall that 9/11 could Hissyspit Dec 2013 #27

Citing 9/11? carla Dec 2013 #57

Russian authorities warned us twice about the elder Boston Bomber Brother MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #62

I recall the events of September 11 OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #68

So what's your solution to the threat of terrorism? Zorro Dec 2013 #104

To start, the US government could stop killing people in foreign countries OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #106

What dictatorships is the US propping up for the benefit of large corporations? Zorro Dec 2013 #107

I cant speak for Onyx but KSA and big oilco comes to mind immediately nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #110

I'd argue that maintaining a strong relationship with the KSA is beneficial for everyone Zorro Dec 2013 #113

"...maintaining a strong relationship with the KSA is beneficial for everyone." OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #116

We prop up their dictators period. You asked and I gave you an answer. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #120

Well, the US did prop up Qaddafi. OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #114

September 11, 2001. Why didn't the NSA warn us of the coming attack? RC Dec 2013 #69

They say that had too much data to "connect the dots." Pholus Dec 2013 #98

More than likely, Cheney told them to not bother with that information. RC Dec 2013 #99

It'll be fun to find out! Pholus Dec 2013 #100

no, what's that? frylock Dec 2013 #93

Another advantage of privatizing. Turbineguy Dec 2013 #12

I love Snowden and wish there were more Whistle blowers annm4peace Dec 2013 #21

Snowden has betrayed the USA Zorro Dec 2013 #24

I don't believe you are going to convince anyone here of what you say. grasswire Dec 2013 #39

It's also the opinion of administration officials Zorro Dec 2013 #40

well, no grasswire Dec 2013 #43

The NSA is a danger to Americans. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #72

I take care of my own safety nilesobek Dec 2013 #87

What is your evidence that he provided them to "our" adversaries? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #31

Is the collection of metadata a greater threat than planes flying into buildings? Zorro Dec 2013 #41

Irrational fear of terrorism is a bigger threat to our democracy. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #51

So what's your solution to the threat of terrorism? Zorro Dec 2013 #109

More cooperative relations with other countries ronnie624 Dec 2013 #118

Yes. The collection of metadata is the greater threat to our country. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #52

Use a phone? The phone companies collect your metadata Zorro Dec 2013 #76

I find it quite disturbing that people OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #80

We have no constitutionally protected right to third-party business records such as metadata. randome Dec 2013 #81

There is no democracy without First Amendment rights and the surveillance JDPriestly Dec 2013 #102

So what rights have been eradicated? Zorro Dec 2013 #111

Please study up on the concept of "chilling speech" which is fundamental to our constitutional law JDPriestly Dec 2013 #115

Attempting to stoke "fear" won't work on this site. NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #84

The NSA didn't uncover nor stop the planes from flying in the building annm4peace Dec 2013 #97

If that stuff was so top secret then why were contractors allowed access to that information AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #42

Heads rolling? SoapBox Dec 2013 #46

oh looky, more redbaiting bullshit.. frylock Dec 2013 #94

Benghazi! GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #47

Does that mean I have to take a drink now? GliderGuider Dec 2013 #49

And what kingdom is that again? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #48

The Kingdom of Mordor JackRiddler Dec 2013 #73

... BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #96

"Our" adversaries? GliderGuider Dec 2013 #50

Bastard stole my car keys too! n/t Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 #53

It's a War on the Average American Citizen blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #55

I think he read one of my e-mails. I swear I do. Hey, look over there- a shiny thing. silvershadow Dec 2013 #56

It's not a kingdom, it's a criminal enterprise. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #59

+100000000 woo me with science Dec 2013 #101

+another 200000000 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #112

�60 Minutes� on Snowden and NSA mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #60

First they insist no Americans were being spied on, now they admit they ARE spying on Americans riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #61

Most likely those 60 are in contact with foreign individuals. randome Dec 2013 #71

Snowden stole 'keys to the kingdom'. And provided them to our adversaries. Autumn Dec 2013 #64

FFS, is this 1952? nt TBF Dec 2013 #65

Snowden gave the keys to the American people. He is a hero. End of story. on point Dec 2013 #67

Is the company that Snowden worked for still in business? adirondacker Dec 2013 #74

I don't recall if the vetting process was outside Booz-Allen or not. randome Dec 2013 #75

I'm a bit jaded and sceptical when it comes to mixing corporate business and Our Government. adirondacker Dec 2013 #85

Hell, private contracting is EVERYWHERE. It endangers corporations as well as government. randome Dec 2013 #86

Ironically, adirondacker Dec 2013 #89

I'm a contractor, too, and sometimes I enjoy that freedom but... randome Dec 2013 #95

yeah and how many other hundreds of people had similar access to those files & didn't get caught. Sunlei Dec 2013 #78

A lot more now since those files are presumably on corporate media servers across the world. randome Dec 2013 #79

Snowden stole 'keys to the kingdom' Sure did! polynomial Dec 2013 #83

The lack security at the NSA means that any adversary could have also stolen these same files... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #119