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8. Snowden nails it: "They're about power"

Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:34 AM

Dec 2013

This excerpt is beautiful. He lays it out. Further I would opine that this type of thing has been going at least since Eisenhower warned us about the developing military-industrial complex, and that the technology has just improved. Ed Snowden will go down as a hero historically for his truth on this matter - maybe not in US propaganda but certainly amongst the rest of the world.

In his letter, Snowden dismissed U.S. explanations to the Brazilian government and others that the bulk metadata gathered on billions of emails and calls was more "data collection" than surveillance.

"There is a huge difference between legal programs, legitimate spying ... and these programs of dragnet mass surveillance that put entire populations under an all-seeing eye and save copies forever," he wrote. "These programs were never about terrorism: they're about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They're about power."

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Edward Snowden offers to help Brazil over US spying in return for asylum [View all] dipsydoodle Dec 2013 OP

Russian winters can be brutal hack89 Dec 2013 #1

Brazil. Home to some of the most dangerous cities on Earth. Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #2

They are not dangerous to people with money. former9thward Dec 2013 #33

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #13

Me too! I want to be your neighbor! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #54

What a fucking dunce BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #3

What a good little carla Dec 2013 #23

Are you saying his position on Social Security has evolved? BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #29

What does his position on social security fujiyama Dec 2013 #35

He's a "true American who thinks for himself" BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #37

what is his position on Social Security? frylock Dec 2013 #45

I think the poster means Drale Dec 2013 #77

What's his position on Japanese monetary policy? JackRiddler Dec 2013 #88

I just yawned BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #89

The smart, it just keeps coming. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #91

See, you just keep throwing punches at the bad guys BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #93

I think for myself treestar Dec 2013 #48

No. Just an opportunist as all Libertarians really are in heart and soul. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #27

as reported by "the blaze" frylock Dec 2013 #47

How about the Washington Post? BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #52

Maybe his position "evolved" like it did for the President on gay marriage fujiyama Dec 2013 #75

Yes, he also was annoyed that McDonald's workers made more than him. MADem Dec 2013 #62

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Brazil is near Equador Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #6

Maybe he could become a tourist attraction--they could use the money. MADem Dec 2013 #20

Meanwhile we give aid to Israel Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #21

I didn't have a point, I was simply pointing out a fact. MADem Dec 2013 #53

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #7

Snowden nails it: "They're about power" TBF Dec 2013 #8

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+1000. ^^^^^ GoneFishin Dec 2013 #11

+1 harun Dec 2013 #12

Strangely, no NSA apologist is taking that last quote about power on... Pholus Dec 2013 #25

Nope, it's all obfuscation and "but Brazil does it too" - TBF Dec 2013 #40

Why is anyone who opposes the hero worship of this hypocrite Libertarian.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #55

Personalities again? Unsurprising. Pholus Dec 2013 #81

NO, he's the one who wants power treestar Dec 2013 #49

... TBF Dec 2013 #51

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #56

Since Snowden has no experience in intelligence collection, how would he know? jmowreader Dec 2013 #71

"Don't worry your pretty little head about that" - TBF Dec 2013 #73

"intelligence school" JackRiddler Dec 2013 #86

I must have been on sick call the day they taught those two subjects jmowreader Dec 2013 #96

You just keep believing that. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #97

As if the World Cup and Olympics-holder Brazil isn't 'spying' left and right msanthrope Dec 2013 #10

Congratulations! hueymahl Dec 2013 #14

And there is this from the link in the OP. RC Dec 2013 #16

And? You think that's proof of what...precisely? nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #30

The opposite of what you posted. RC Dec 2013 #38

Um, no. A few Senators don't control the security services of Brazil. msanthrope Dec 2013 #59

Now do you not understand there are no bad people in this world? treestar Dec 2013 #50

You're right, msanthrope.. they don't the bit Leaker's generous offer.. Cha Dec 2013 #80

little by little rtracey Dec 2013 #15

I see a guy with a conscious. toby jo Dec 2013 #19

I see a guy who is acting in his own self interest bhikkhu Dec 2013 #26

Not only do I think that she should grant him political asylum.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #17

You think ANY govt entity would trust him with their cyber security now? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #57

Yeah what a joke treestar Dec 2013 #84

Yeah, this guy is such a patriot....... Beacool Dec 2013 #18

Yeah, well we're also the ones...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #63

What a fucking weasel. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #22

No, I think that person you're referring to..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #64

Good luck to you, Edward. I donated boomersense Dec 2013 #24

Yes let's point out how bad Brazil is MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #28

The sycophants to the security state will attack any country fujiyama Dec 2013 #76

Good luck Mr. Snowden! eom wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #31

I thought everyone had been telling me all this time Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #32

Yeah, but only the most diehard pro-Snowden people BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #39

+1 n/t jaysunb Dec 2013 #41

I think you got the point.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #58

That's what I take away from it, too. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #67

Answer to your question undiegrinder Dec 2013 #74

The fact that he won't ever explain what he means when he said he "saw things" makes me doubt... randome Dec 2013 #83

Of course he is. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #66

What was it that you called President Obama in another post? davidpdx Dec 2013 #99

Not that this will ever occur, but imagine if he did get to Brazil. randome Dec 2013 #34

Putin must be done with Comrade Eddie the Traitor and Lapdog. SoapBox Dec 2013 #36

It's always refreshing to see a display of McCarthyite sentiments. Thanks. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #42

+1 Lenomsky Dec 2013 #44

Somalia suits his little Libertarian sensibilities! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Dec 2013 #70

1973 called and they'd like Archie Bunker returned to them post haste. nt DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #78

And all of them such bastions of transparency treestar Dec 2013 #85

Well done Snowden I wish you luck .. Lenomsky Dec 2013 #43

Funny Snowden didn't mention GCHQ, which I admit is a more worrisome aspect. randome Dec 2013 #46

The documents make it abundantly clear "what that means." JackRiddler Dec 2013 #98

Brazil says not considering Snowden asylum Eugene Dec 2013 #61

Of course not BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #65

And Snowden hasn't asked Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #68

The funny part is it's Greenwald's former employer saying Snowden is pushing a deal... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #82

I guess Snowden approves of spying - just as long as the target is the US govt. baldguy Dec 2013 #69

so he wont help them unless he can get something for himself ? JI7 Dec 2013 #72

Snowden's now just realizing what he gave up. CFLDem Dec 2013 #79

Oh hooray! JackRiddler Dec 2013 #87

I'm glad we agree! CFLDem Dec 2013 #90

The moral void. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #92

That's the spirit! CFLDem Dec 2013 #95

Who gives up that kind of life? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #94