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117. I am always careful in responding to posts...

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:42 AM

Dec 2013

With all due respect, I submit that you are mistaken in interpreting what I commented. You quote this pertinent bit:

"Removing security barriers around the American Embassy in India in response to their diplomats treating workers like slaves, is THE outrage.."

IF ... and this is the keyword ... IF ... security was REMOVED, that would be an outrage, for sure. My post provided evidence that security for the embassy was not removed. Going to the websites I have quoted would inform you that the Indian Ministry of External Affairs has said that anything that was necessary to provide full security was still in place. All the EXTRAS that the Americans wanted ... such as a vast number of reserved parking spots, to the inconvenience of other embassies in the area ... have been taken away. The American embassy has the same level of security that India provides to the Israeli embassy - also a major target.

The Americans have wanted special privileges like tax-free imports of liquor, passes so that they would not have to stand in line at security in airports, etc. SOMETHING THAT DIPLOMATS OF OTHER COUNTRIES DO NOT RECEIVE. It was provided as goodwill, and on the basis of reciprocity. That's the context in which I brought in reciprocity.. consequently, it IS pertinent to this discussion, as much as the picture of Bloomberg in this thread is.

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Indian official: Diplomat's arrest in NYC barbaric [View all] Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP

Wonder what they thought she was hiding up her rectum ? warrant46 Dec 2013 #1

All detainees are subject to this type of search. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #3

the h1b visa thing is getting out of control. n/t geardaddy Dec 2013 #7

Arrested for speeding or writing a bad check. warrant46 Dec 2013 #9

Cops with hardons looking to arrest someone to search their holes! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2013 #28

In Texas they even do it on the side of the road... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #36

Flying was fun--Now its like getting Booked warrant46 Dec 2013 #46

All buildings in Delhi have no special barriers muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #25

^^^^This^^^^ smitra Dec 2013 #26

Do we need to ask how many other Indian buildings have been truck bombed? Embassy security okaawhatever Dec 2013 #40

For the last time, they are NOT withdrawing security from the American Embassy. smitra Dec 2013 #50

I have the facts straight. They removed the cement barricades but left the security guards. nt okaawhatever Dec 2013 #90

So they did not WITHDRAW SECURITY as you claimed in your earlier post. smitra Dec 2013 #96

You could have another look at the post to which you are referring psychopomp Dec 2013 #113

I am always careful in responding to posts... smitra Dec 2013 #117

Your contorted effort must be very straining psychopomp Dec 2013 #134

Nonsense, it is you who is contorting the facts to suit your preconceived notions. smitra Dec 2013 #135

The article you link to does not describe what you claim psychopomp Dec 2013 #140

I have made other posts on this thread that quote from the Indian Ministry of External Affairs ... smitra Dec 2013 #143

None of which is germane to this sub-thread psychopomp Dec 2013 #144

I have already mentioned that when I find a definitive source for this I will post it. smitra Dec 2013 #146

You see, in the end you've established that the barricades were removed psychopomp Dec 2013 #180

Amazing how little effect FACTS posted on this board have. smitra Dec 2013 #183

The word "barriers" may conjure up the wrong image Recursion Dec 2013 #164

As promised up-thread, here is a link that quotes a spokesperson of the Ministry... smitra Dec 2013 #148

Huh? Those barriers are everywhere Recursion Dec 2013 #175

They aren't a feature of all buildings muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #181

No, but I can see six sets of them from my window Recursion Dec 2013 #182

When did "prisoner" become "detainee." So Orwellian. The Stranger Dec 2013 #32

Around the time.. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #33

There is being "processed" for an arrest and then there is being officially entered into the prison okaawhatever Dec 2013 #41

A "prisoner" is someone who's been convicted of a crime Recursion Dec 2013 #171

Not always. Inmates charged but not convicted are referred to as prisoners. The Stranger Dec 2013 #185

No they are not all subjected to this type of search intaglio Dec 2013 #101

The mighty sure get pissed off when treated like anyone else. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #2

^^^This^^^ Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #4

^^^^This.^^^^ closeupready Dec 2013 #141

Who is this dipshit federal prosecutor? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #5

it's complicated... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #6

Yeah, I see where he's...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #19

Thats awesome..! Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #20

Diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to visa fraud. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #8

I don't think she's considered a full diplomat. it appears she only has DI for work-related crimes. okaawhatever Dec 2013 #42

Then we need to check the water nationwide! Cops aint what they USED to be 30-40 yrs ago. 7962 Dec 2013 #10

You've got my vote. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #11

What a great picture! I grew up watching Adam 12. 7962 Dec 2013 #14

I remember that show. Brigid Dec 2013 #79

I was just about to ask... onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #102

Roughly, the early 1970's Recursion Dec 2013 #165

I vote for the Bloomberg virus. QuestForSense Dec 2013 #15

I find it hard to argue against a good point, such as you make..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #21

Oh, you are so correct! QuestForSense Dec 2013 #23

There are levels of immunity; hers was relatively low Recursion Dec 2013 #104

While her arrest and detention might not have been appropriate, India decides to retaliate TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #12

^^^^^This^^^^^ Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #13

So you OK are about *barabaric* human rights abuse ... Old Union Guy Dec 2013 #16

OK, Sparky. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #17

What would you like the police to do leftynyc Dec 2013 #29

Cavity searches for obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2013 #37

Cavity searches for anyone processed through the prison system is ok. CFLDem Dec 2013 #43

They didn't search the 15/16ths of me who is European American FrodosPet Dec 2013 #97

The barricades are manned by Indian police who mostly nap while their unloaded assault rifles... Recursion Dec 2013 #24

Well, that's awesome (RE the embassy security). Not like American embassies TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #39

Educate yourself about details before you accuse... smitra Dec 2013 #30

LOL. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #35

No laughing allowed! Shame on you!! closeupready Dec 2013 #48

Another totally inane, one word post that does not address the SUBSTANCE of the issue raised. smitra Dec 2013 #55

She's also incredibly well-connected (her father was IAS) Recursion Dec 2013 #106

I think people need to get to the truth here karynnj Dec 2013 #38

Interesting info. Targeting gay couples? Jeezus. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #44

Caveat - I don't know the sorce at all. karynnj Dec 2013 #45

I don't know that source either. But India's reaction seems downright crazy. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #47

Modi (the BJP candidate for prime minister) recommended it Recursion Dec 2013 #105

Stay safe! karynnj Dec 2013 #112

Shrug. closeupready Dec 2013 #18

India'a blindness here is staggering Recursion Dec 2013 #22

The visa fraud was "alleged" and from a nefarious housekeeper cosmicone Dec 2013 #27

It is interesting that NO ONE has responded to THIS post that provides the FACTS. n/t. smitra Dec 2013 #56

They would never have done this to a British, German, French cosmicone Dec 2013 #70

I AGREE 100%. Thanks for pointing that out... and watch the denials come. n/t smitra Dec 2013 #72

Also a lot of apologists for the police state here fujiyama Dec 2013 #73

I'm wondering where this information is coming from davidpdx Dec 2013 #92

Look at this site... smitra Dec 2013 #94

Thanks, that helps davidpdx Dec 2013 #95

Can you cite any of what you are claiming? If the Indian government msanthrope Dec 2013 #115

The immediate supervisor selects the employee cosmicone Dec 2013 #123

Except that's not what they did Recursion Dec 2013 #130

The maid is a schemer if not a CIA agent cosmicone Dec 2013 #132

Why would the CIA want someone to spy on a halfway house for trafficked women? Recursion Dec 2013 #166

Gee, what are the Indians so uptight about? LongTomH Dec 2013 #31

From a country that is now even MORE "barbaric" towards it's gay citizens. SoapBox Dec 2013 #34

Is the SF Gate a right wing paper? Theres no mention of the threat to have our gay diplomats jailed. okaawhatever Dec 2013 #49

SFGate is a hearst publication. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #53

The SFGate.com article is AP copy. alp227 Dec 2013 #147

Barbaric ? they should look at how Females are treated in their country JI7 Dec 2013 #51

Barbaric? Americans should look at how children are regularly gunned down in school in their country smitra Dec 2013 #54

yeah, AMerica is pretty fucked up with the teabaggers, whore media, gun nuts etc JI7 Dec 2013 #57

Exactly. And the Indian actress was criticized, unfairly. At the same time... smitra Dec 2013 #58

i would say india is more so JI7 Dec 2013 #59

Matter of personal opinion. I disagree vehemently. Leave it at that. n/t. smitra Dec 2013 #60

when you look at level of poverty there JI7 Dec 2013 #61

Again, I disagree. And yes, much of the country's problems are due to poverty... smitra Dec 2013 #62

you are the one who brought up the US problems when i criticized India in an OP about India JI7 Dec 2013 #63

Beg your pardon, you are the one who voiced the personal opinion that India is 'more' messed up. smitra Dec 2013 #64

so what ? there are problems right now that need to be dealt with JI7 Dec 2013 #65

I am Indian American too, and I was born there, and spent the first 23 years of my life there. smitra Dec 2013 #66

and there are wingnuts in the US who who have lived here their entire lives JI7 Dec 2013 #68

Food and music only? cosmicone Dec 2013 #67

Amen. And this person (see their post # 68) thinks that they know "more" about the country... smitra Dec 2013 #69

i never said "all i knew" about india was food and music, i said currently they are some good things JI7 Dec 2013 #71

Don't spin cosmicone Dec 2013 #74

india is far more corrupt than the US, it's why they have such poverty JI7 Dec 2013 #75

India's poverty is because of corruption? cosmicone Dec 2013 #76

sorry i don't worship the wealthy, it's like saying i'm proud of the US because the Koch brothers JI7 Dec 2013 #84

Oh for Christ's sake... shilling for BJP on DU? Recursion Dec 2013 #149

BJP gets a bad name because of a few extremists making wild statements cosmicone Dec 2013 #150

BJP (and Shiv Sena) start riots that kill people Recursion Dec 2013 #151

Shiv Sena -- yes, I agree with you. cosmicone Dec 2013 #156

I'll grant you that BJP is better than Shiv Sena Recursion Dec 2013 #157

Yes, you're a cynic indeed cosmicone Dec 2013 #159

I don't know... it's hard for me to take BJP seriously as anti-corruption when their Maharashtra HQ Recursion Dec 2013 #163

india is one messed up country JI7 Dec 2013 #52

What does that have to do with this story? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #77

i didn't see how she was mistreated , my comment is about the outrage JI7 Dec 2013 #78

Correct. smitra Dec 2013 #80

is she too good to be around drug addicts ? as if they are less than human JI7 Dec 2013 #85

OK. The next time you exceed the speed limit by about 3 mph... smitra Dec 2013 #86

Um....that's why you are searched...so no one has anything to stick you with. msanthrope Dec 2013 #114

I met some nice addicts ripcord Dec 2013 #178

hehehe...good one... EX500rider Dec 2013 #155

No.. smitra Dec 2013 #158

I did not mean to imply it was possible... EX500rider Dec 2013 #161

Yes, she was. YOU do not decide whether she was covered or not. smitra Dec 2013 #162

Kenya has not charged him, and the US is cooperating with the investigation Recursion Dec 2013 #168

No, Kenya has not charged him. The US Embassy made pretty sure of that by flying him... smitra Dec 2013 #169

India was free to fly Mrs. Khobagadre out if they wanted; they've known about this since September Recursion Dec 2013 #170

Yes. It is a pity India is not as smart and efficient in protecting its offending diplomats... smitra Dec 2013 #172

They think detention is only for Italian diplomats? Recursion Dec 2013 #173

Don't see the parallel. As far as I know, the Italian ambassador diplomatic immunity... smitra Dec 2013 #174

It's a civil case, filed by a Sikh-American group Recursion Dec 2013 #176

True. And Sonia Gandhi will not appear, just as Union Carbide Chairman Warren Anderson... smitra Dec 2013 #177

Yep. 1984 was not a great year (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #179

LOL indio55555 Dec 2013 #81

as much as i hate myself when i bashed Bush, the current republicans and other things about the US JI7 Dec 2013 #82

and unlike many people in india i don't worship white skin JI7 Dec 2013 #83

Right on the money! n/t cosmicone Dec 2013 #99

More Information -- Unbelievable conspiracy on the part of the US cosmicone Dec 2013 #87

So were the immigration visas issued based on fraudulent paperwork or no? Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #88

The maid was not issued an immigration visa cosmicone Dec 2013 #89

The warrant from Delhi is for charges of defamation and blackmail Recursion Dec 2013 #129

The US attorney is someone who hates being Indian American cosmicone Dec 2013 #133

Well, that's certainly the opinion here Recursion Dec 2013 #137

he must hate italian americans also since he goes after italian mafia JI7 Dec 2013 #154

She wasn't given a cavity search davidpdx Dec 2013 #91

She is "wanted" because Khobragade filed a lawsuit against her to shut her up Recursion Dec 2013 #108

The judge and father don't even know each other. cosmicone Dec 2013 #126

Both sides have blown the whole thing out of proportion davidpdx Dec 2013 #93

There was a warrant issued to arrest the maid cosmicone Dec 2013 #98

Well a warrant in Delhi court won't go far if the maid was in the US davidpdx Dec 2013 #100

US and India have an extradition treaty cosmicone Dec 2013 #107

OFFS... the maid was not a spook Recursion Dec 2013 #109

Let's get the facts straight here. anasv Dec 2013 #103

If an employee of an Indian diplomat cosmicone Dec 2013 #110

You got it! Amazing how the posters on this board have tried and condemned her BEFORE... smitra Dec 2013 #111

Well, Maharashtra seems unlikely to do anything about her Adarsh condo scam... Recursion Dec 2013 #128

The Adarsh issue is not relevant here. As for the case against Richards,.... smitra Dec 2013 #131

It goes to her credibility. She already lied about the body cavity search Recursion Dec 2013 #153

Repeating Indian tabloid nonsense isn't helping your defense of a human trafficker. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #116

Where has this post quoted a "tabloid"? smitra Dec 2013 #118

I think Recursion has addressed the tabloid nonsense pretty effectively upthread. msanthrope Dec 2013 #119

Recursion is not an authority, and there are plenty of quotes upthread that discredit ... smitra Dec 2013 #120

Welcome to DU. Recursion *is* an authority here. And you are defending a human msanthrope Dec 2013 #121

I disagree that Recursion is an authority in this case - he/she is not. Also... smitra Dec 2013 #122

What a maroon (as Bugs Bunny would say) cosmicone Dec 2013 #125

Off-topic: That term is an antiquated, racist smear against a people who resisted slavery psychopomp Dec 2013 #138

I used it as a Bugs Bunny quote. cosmicone Dec 2013 #139

I, too, love Bugs and remember his using it all the time psychopomp Dec 2013 #142

"Welcome to DU" psychopomp Dec 2013 #136

Human trafficker????????????????????? cosmicone Dec 2013 #124

"Some people on DU are just too dense"... you got that right! smitra Dec 2013 #127

Yeah, and after the Malhotra incident last year... Recursion Dec 2013 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Dec 2013 #145

Yeah, they treated her the same as they treat US citizens Warpy Dec 2013 #152

According to the US Attorney and the Marshals, she was not cavity-searched. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #160

With a measure of sadness, I am trashing this thread. smitra Dec 2013 #184