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89. You have not shown any evidence that "everyone should be armed"...

Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:27 PM

Mar 2012

except for your own false extrapolation of one person's statement about "more people".

"more people" does not equal "everyone".

And yes, more people are carrying and crime rates are down. No-one has yet proved a direct causational relationship, but the coorelation is certainly interesting.

Please demonstrate when the NYC crime rates started dropping. IIRC, it was well after their gun bans (which doesn't seem to lend weight that it was the bans that did it), and they also had to start throwing the Fourth Amendment out the window by doing stop-and-frisk searches of people out on the street, with no RAS required. Mostly minorities, I might add.

Please start your effort to repeal the Second Amendment. Hint: it has nothing to do with hunting or collecting.

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13 Shot Outside Arizona Nightclub [View all] Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 OP

Gang fight. slackmaster Mar 2012 #1

Probably... ellisonz Mar 2012 #28

Sometimes they're not in gangs. vaberella Mar 2012 #37

Biggie and Tupac made career choices that put them into dangerous situations slackmaster Mar 2012 #43

Open carry fanatics. onehandle Mar 2012 #39

Nice. You make it about race rather then AZ's gun policies me b zola Mar 2012 #71

This incident had nothing to do with lawful use of firearms or race slackmaster Mar 2012 #72

You have to be really ignorant of reality to make a post like that. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #110

Projection and hateful screeds are fun! me b zola Mar 2012 #115

What you did was essentially excuse a possible cause of the incident. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #117

No really, shove off me b zola Mar 2012 #118

I lived in Tempe for years. Sadly, shootings are not uncommon there. Alexander Mar 2012 #2

My aunt lives there. Parts of it are OK, lots of college students and retired people. But... slackmaster Mar 2012 #3

Drove into Guadalupe once while killing time before going to the airport to catch a flight FarCenter Mar 2012 #13

why would anyone support allowing guns in a bar - it is just insane DrDan Mar 2012 #4

I'll make two little wagers here, DrDan. We know that AZ law doesn't allow people who are drinking slackmaster Mar 2012 #6

One of the reasons I left AZ Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2012 #5

"everyone"? Really? n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #10

Why is it thateverytime someone gets slaughtered DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #64

My "filth" and my "death"? Cite/explain, please. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #98

Yeah, still waiting...... n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #99

Keep waiting. I already said what I intended to say. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #108

Actually some of us are tired of lies, deception, and exaggeration. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #100

In my little rural town, I hear automatic gun fire at least a few times a month. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #11

That was my first thought...meth BlueToTheBone Mar 2012 #19

More news reports here of "single bottle" mixing dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #35

OMG! BlueToTheBone Mar 2012 #45

I agree that giving all drugs, regardless of their actual danger, the same treatment by Lionessa Mar 2012 #74

I've read two Aerows Mar 2012 #114

"automatic gun fire"? Really? PavePusher Mar 2012 #25

ooops..maybe I meant semi-automatic? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #34

Yes,semi-auto fire sounds more likely, given that you can distinguish individual rounds being fired. PavePusher Mar 2012 #49

The semi-automatic shots almost always come from a " certain area" in town dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #60

There's no mistaking full-auto fire TexasBill Mar 2012 #85

I live in Arizona and I don't carry. So much for "everyone" n/t Tansy_Gold Mar 2012 #14

Seemed like everyone to me Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2012 #27

I live in NM. I see people openly carrying sometimes. TheCruces Mar 2012 #65

Open carry is legal n New Mexico TexasBill Mar 2012 #84

Yeah, I know TheCruces Mar 2012 #87

I really resent the stereotypes of the people that live in Arizona. jillan Mar 2012 #32

+1 from another Chicago native. n/t Tansy_Gold Mar 2012 #38

Didn't you get the memo? PavePusher Mar 2012 #50

Yay concealed carry laws! Fearless Mar 2012 #7

Please explain what law would have stopped a criminal from commiting this criminal action. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #9

That was my point. Fearless Mar 2012 #17

+1000 ellisonz Mar 2012 #21

I think we are talking at cross-purposes. PavePusher Mar 2012 #23

A brief lesson about carrying a gun TexasBill Mar 2012 #40

we don't need your lessons... we see them in the news everyday fascisthunter Mar 2012 #48

Again a Prohibitionist conflates the criminal and the lawful. PavePusher Mar 2012 #51

You make a lot of assumptions TexasBill Mar 2012 #78

I think concealed carrying laws exclude places that sell liquor or post signs... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #68

You're exactly right TexasBill Mar 2012 #77

No particular wave I'm aware of.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #88

You know what I mean. You can stand a long way away and gun down several people. Easier ... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #91

"It's easier than stabbing, where you have to be up close and personal..." PavePusher Mar 2012 #94

I'm not denying guns to anyone. What ARE you talking about? I have a gun. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #96

My apology, I seem to have extrapolated too far on insufficient data. PavePusher Mar 2012 #97

Except that CCW carriers wouldn't be carrying in a bar because it's not legal to drink armed. Lionessa Mar 2012 #75

Wrong Remmah2 Mar 2012 #101

You're Attributing Overwhelmingly Positive Attributes To An Inanimate Object. Paladin Mar 2012 #102

I rest my case. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #103

Get Back To Me With Something Coherent, OK? (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #104

Are you incoherent? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #105

Limit the number of guns manufactured; greiner3 Mar 2012 #29

That would have the added benefit of ensuring that poor people couldn't afford them slackmaster Mar 2012 #30

Pandora's box can't be closed again TexasBill Mar 2012 #44

The Pandora Box problem LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #53

You start from a flawed premise. PavePusher Mar 2012 #54

No one is suggesting that? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #79

I love statistics TexasBill Mar 2012 #83

I respect your tone and attempt to discuss reasonably LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #86

Let's try again... TexasBill Mar 2012 #92

One more time LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #95

You have not shown any evidence that "everyone should be armed"... PavePusher Mar 2012 #89

Arguing from a flawed assumption TexasBill Mar 2012 #81

Really? RockWarrior Mar 2012 #109

Sorry for trusting Reuters LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #116

Better restrict garage-workbench sized CNC machines too. PavePusher Mar 2012 #52

dood the AZ leg passed a law a couple years back to Robeysays Mar 2012 #42

Arizona has been an "Open Carry" state for about 100 years TexasBill Mar 2012 #47

Wonder how many legal chl carriers were there. Hangingon Mar 2012 #12

I suspect none, as the venue probably prohibits firearms slackmaster Mar 2012 #20

Actually, in order to carry into a bar that permits it.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #56

Should have remembered about Arizona's laws Hangingon Mar 2012 #62

Damn, and my wife is afraid to go to Nogalas because of the violence. OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2012 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author MikeOlsen Mar 2012 #15

Ah yes, I remember the nickname "The Arizona Republican". Alexander Mar 2012 #16

At least they bothered to give a description of the suspects slackmaster Mar 2012 #22

Arizona - land of gunnuttery. All those guns are making things safer there. jpak Mar 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author MikeOlsen Mar 2012 #26

I knew it jpak Mar 2012 #33

That's a pathtic & very bigoted comment. Do much Johnson20 Mar 2012 #58

I think he was being sarcastic in response to jpak's known bigotry. PavePusher Mar 2012 #90

""(Arizona) ... y'all gotta be cool man" - Nipsey Hussle ellisonz Mar 2012 #24

I kind of feel sorry for the guy because he is old, but his lyrics and videos encourage thuggery slackmaster Mar 2012 #31

Do you think most rap music is "stochastic terrorism" or just this artist? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

Only rap music that results in horrific crime slackmaster Mar 2012 #61

There were no horrific crimes before rap music JonLP24 Mar 2012 #70

Nipsey Hussle? Skittles Mar 2012 #36

The rappers name sent me back a few years too ! clever twist lunasun Mar 2012 #66

Yet another overly exuberant celebration of American liberties. Crunchy Frog Mar 2012 #41

Yeah, everyone knows shooting up a nightclub is covered under the Constitution..... PavePusher Mar 2012 #57

Everyone Should have Been Armed fascisthunter Mar 2012 #46

We need much stricter laws against murder. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #93

Nightclubs are getting to be as dangerous as churches for shootouts nowadays. nt valerief Mar 2012 #59

What? I thought this didn't happen in Joe Arpaio's county! I thought his posse muntrv Mar 2012 #63

They weren't Mexican and his posse is too busy with Obama's berf certifecat dontchaknow lunasun Mar 2012 #67

Holy shit---I'm in that area twice a week JonLP24 Mar 2012 #69

It's great news that they caught one of the assholes slackmaster Mar 2012 #73

I'm all for $5,000 bullets... MrScorpio Mar 2012 #76

Hehe... ellisonz Mar 2012 #80

We need bullet control! nt MrScorpio Mar 2012 #82

I think it won't be long until everyone in AZ is required to pack at all times Doctor_J Mar 2012 #106

Here's a video just for you, Doctor_J slackmaster Mar 2012 #107

Thanks, slack. Doctor_J Mar 2012 #112

Let me know when someone suggests anything remotely resembling requiring everyone... slackmaster Mar 2012 #113

Fortunately everybody there was armed so they could stop the killing spree. Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #111