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Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
7. Even as a gay man I wish the trial court had issued a stay....
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:31 PM
Dec 2013

The trial court knew this would be appealed. By not immediately issuing a stay to give the state and other potential plaintiffs with standing an opportunity to appeal, he has placed the marriages in the interim in jeopardy.

The 10th Circuit is very conservative and we still have a generally 5-4 conservative majority on the Supreme Court. So this case is far from over even given the SCOTUS decisions regarding DOMA and California.

I fear that the joyous couples in Utah may ultimately find their marriages ruled invalid ab initio. What if a couple files a joint tax return for 2013? Would they have to re-file individually? What about assumptions of property transfer at death? The list is endless.

I hear the chorus "Justice delayed is justice denied" but in this case it would be better to have final resolution before people change their life positions only to have the assumptions on which those changes were based ripped away.

I do agree that the fact the 10th Circuit refused to issue a stay and marriages continue suggests the marriages will likely be recognized even in the event of an eventual state win.

The fact that Justice Sotomajor is responsible for 10th Circuit emergency appeals is also positive.

But I still fear disappointment. I would rather pursue this legally to the SCOTUS but not place people's lives in limbo.

Courts only stay decisions when they think the party requesting the stay may win on appeal. dballance Dec 2013 #1
Excellent! We need to end persecution in this country. We often have persecution for RKP5637 Dec 2013 #2
Utah's AG Treant Dec 2013 #3
Utah bigots, cry us a river: blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #5
True, conventional wisdom says she'll probably rule against them davidpdx Dec 2013 #14
Scalia is salivating his NO vote against gay people, whenever the marriage case reaches SCOTUS. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #4
Kick & very highly recommended. William769 Dec 2013 #6
Even as a gay man I wish the trial court had issued a stay.... Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #7
Refusal of a stay Treant Dec 2013 #8
consdiering how mauch money the LDS poured in to weissmam Dec 2013 #9
There's a difference Treant Dec 2013 #10
This is the best Christmas present ever. liberalmuse Dec 2013 #11
Since only Satan's consorts cackle, yes, it would be wrong. closeupready Dec 2013 #13
Kick n/t Tx4obama Dec 2013 #12
Still shocked gay marriage is legal in Utah, but not Oregon davidpdx Dec 2013 #15
Salt Lake Tribune: 10th Circuit Court denies same-sex marriage stay alp227 Dec 2013 #16
I had thought Utah would be the very last state to allow it Rochester Dec 2013 #17
As I read the story, this wasn't the state making the sdecision but federal courts. 24601 Dec 2013 #18
Do most people use "gay marriage" and "same sex marriage" interchangably? marshall Dec 2013 #19
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