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4. Agree with your last part in principle, but I think they have the freedom to have those delusions.

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Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:48 PM

Dec 2013

Question is, are the taxpayers obligated to subsidize their delusions if that's the cost of their beliefs?

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Nursing home says it won't take 'brain-dead' girl [View all] LiberalElite Dec 2013 OP

Sounds sad dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #1

Yes - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #2

There is no "girl" any more skepticscott Dec 2013 #3

Agree with your last part in principle, but I think they have the freedom to have those delusions. alp227 Dec 2013 #4

That's the point. They can't pay for her body's continued care pnwmom Dec 2013 #8

Why don't they just pray for it? If it doesn't work, then they either abandon religion or valerief Dec 2013 #33

"Have A Heart. Let Us Have Jahi For Christmas" SorellaLaBefana Dec 2013 #63

With two doctors pronouncing her brain dead rocktivity Dec 2013 #5

It's been more than two Retrograde Dec 2013 #11

correct. 2 hospital physicians, 3 neurological specialists hired by the parents and 1 by the courts magical thyme Dec 2013 #16

I love it when people think that they can tell others when it's "time" to let a family member die. Th1onein Dec 2013 #42

because they are not leaving it up to "nature" are they VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #51

The grieving can't begin to be over customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #57

It's not that I don't understand the logic. Everyone understands that. Th1onein Dec 2013 #65

While few of us (fortunately) ever will stand in their shoes customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #89

I'm sure they don't need your "help." Th1onein Dec 2013 #90

Who has told the parents skepticscott Dec 2013 #62

There are several, on here, who have said that it is time for the grieving period to begin Th1onein Dec 2013 #66

In other words, no one here has told the family skepticscott Dec 2013 #73

"All they've said is that if it is ever to end at all, it first has to START"? Th1onein Dec 2013 #74

Well, fine…you go tell the parents that they should never, ever grieve for their dead daughter skepticscott Dec 2013 #77

Twist words much? Th1onein Dec 2013 #78

If anyone is twisting words skepticscott Dec 2013 #80

Are you kidding me? Th1onein Dec 2013 #82

No, your PROJECTION onto the people you're calling out as "arrogant" skepticscott Dec 2013 #86

You really need to inform yourself. Th1onein Dec 2013 #88

In most single payer health care countries, this would not be allowed. mucifer Dec 2013 #6

Agreed on the reprieve through Xmas Warpy Dec 2013 #7

Believe me, I know what it looks like. I have seen children kept alive like this in the hospital. mucifer Dec 2013 #10

She is not being kept alive. She is dead. They are pumping oxygen into a corpse. nt magical thyme Dec 2013 #17

didn't some judge order them not to take her off the machines ? otherwise the hospital would have i JI7 Dec 2013 #20

The judge gave them till Dec. 30th n/t LiberalElite Dec 2013 #26

Exactly seattledo Dec 2013 #53

Not necessarily laundry_queen Dec 2013 #85

Update from the Oakland Tribune alp227 Dec 2013 #9

It's the evil lawyer cosmicone Dec 2013 #12

The family believes in God, not the medical profession. wisteria Dec 2013 #25

Ever heard of "objective" evidence? cosmicone Dec 2013 #30

Are you so sure they are your tax dollars? wisteria Dec 2013 #45

I have never ever seen a brain dead person come to life cosmicone Dec 2013 #48

"And, it is sad that you place more faith in human science than in God." alp227 Dec 2013 #58

Perhaps more faith is placed in Science than in God SorellaLaBefana Dec 2013 #64

Please, wisteria,this is pretty final. A brain dead person is dead, and it is almost catbyte Dec 2013 #61

You are misinformed. Th1onein Dec 2013 #76

Oh, please. Show me ONE verified case wheere a person has been brain dead for catbyte Dec 2013 #79

Is there any proof that "God" exists? Or at least proof that doesn't rely on pure faith or emotion? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #83

If they have so much "faith" in "god" skepticscott Dec 2013 #32

She needs time to heal? wisteria Dec 2013 #46

If almighty god is going to bring her back to life cosmicone Dec 2013 #50

Needs time to heal? Why? skepticscott Dec 2013 #54

Why are YOU godbotting this thread? alp227 Dec 2013 #59

Miracles proven? Really? Codeine Dec 2013 #71

If "God" was going to perform a miracle, you wouldn't NEED the machines. PassingFair Dec 2013 #34

God provided the will to create the machines. wisteria Dec 2013 #47

for some...but not this one... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #52

She's a stiff! Codeine Dec 2013 #72

Wonder if the family originally informed the nursing home that the patient was dead? JNinWB Dec 2013 #13

the article mentioned they backed out after discussions with Children's Hospital magical thyme Dec 2013 #18

I feel so sorry for the parents ripcord Dec 2013 #14

Her daughter LiberalElite Dec 2013 #27

This is incredibly tragic Scairp Dec 2013 #15

And people wonder why health care costs so much money. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #19

brain dead is not to be confused with something like comatose or persistent vegetative state Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #21

Donate her organs SCVDem Dec 2013 #22

Heart breaking NNguyenMD Dec 2013 #23

Thank you for your post and perspective theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #24

Yes I had an elderly cousin LiberalElite Dec 2013 #28

In relation to the failure of a physician to attend intaglio Dec 2013 #29

One of my attending professors at Harvard cosmicone Dec 2013 #31

This is a local story and as best I can tell, this may be the heart of the problem. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #35

Kind of harsh isn't it - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #38

Nope, not harsh at all. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #39

ok point taken nt LiberalElite Dec 2013 #40

+1 n/t southern_belle Dec 2013 #41

Thank you Gormy Cuss and also NNguyenMD for your compassion toward this family. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #81

a moving and intelligent post n/t Psephos Dec 2013 #43

Update: Facility found for Calif. teen on ventilator Judi Lynn Dec 2013 #36

Is the hospital still refusing to insert the tubes she'd need rocktivity Dec 2013 #37

Right, because doctors are always right. Th1onein Dec 2013 #44

Well said! n/t wisteria Dec 2013 #49

Horseshit. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #55

Great argument. Rah Rah. Th1onein Dec 2013 #67

Yep. Fauxnews and Daily mail are great sources. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #68

I guess the BBC, Huff Post, and the Telegraph are also bad sources? Th1onein Dec 2013 #69

I see you have gone to trustworthy sources intaglio Dec 2013 #56

No kidding. This thread has brought out startling anti science sentiment on a PROGRESSIVE board. alp227 Dec 2013 #60

This is so sad and I can barely bring myself to comment about it. Dash87 Dec 2013 #70

New York facility is 'last hope' for girl declared brain dead, family say rocktivity Dec 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2013 #84

I'm a nurse. I've been there. w8liftinglady Dec 2013 #87