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80. If anyone is twisting words

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:46 PM

Dec 2013

It's you...again. No one her has said that the grieving process has to start at any particular moment, only that it has to start.

Unless you have a different and concrete definition of when someone is dead, when their organs can be harvested and when they can be buried, than the many doctors involved here, then you're no better than the family. So give us YOUR definition of "dead". And be sure to give us one that doesn't brand thousands of families and doctors as murderers, for killing someone who isn't really "dead".

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Nursing home says it won't take 'brain-dead' girl [View all] LiberalElite Dec 2013 OP

Sounds sad dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #1

Yes - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #2

There is no "girl" any more skepticscott Dec 2013 #3

Agree with your last part in principle, but I think they have the freedom to have those delusions. alp227 Dec 2013 #4

That's the point. They can't pay for her body's continued care pnwmom Dec 2013 #8

Why don't they just pray for it? If it doesn't work, then they either abandon religion or valerief Dec 2013 #33

"Have A Heart. Let Us Have Jahi For Christmas" SorellaLaBefana Dec 2013 #63

With two doctors pronouncing her brain dead rocktivity Dec 2013 #5

It's been more than two Retrograde Dec 2013 #11

correct. 2 hospital physicians, 3 neurological specialists hired by the parents and 1 by the courts magical thyme Dec 2013 #16

I love it when people think that they can tell others when it's "time" to let a family member die. Th1onein Dec 2013 #42

because they are not leaving it up to "nature" are they VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #51

The grieving can't begin to be over customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #57

It's not that I don't understand the logic. Everyone understands that. Th1onein Dec 2013 #65

While few of us (fortunately) ever will stand in their shoes customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #89

I'm sure they don't need your "help." Th1onein Dec 2013 #90

Who has told the parents skepticscott Dec 2013 #62

There are several, on here, who have said that it is time for the grieving period to begin Th1onein Dec 2013 #66

In other words, no one here has told the family skepticscott Dec 2013 #73

"All they've said is that if it is ever to end at all, it first has to START"? Th1onein Dec 2013 #74

Well, fine…you go tell the parents that they should never, ever grieve for their dead daughter skepticscott Dec 2013 #77

Twist words much? Th1onein Dec 2013 #78

If anyone is twisting words skepticscott Dec 2013 #80

Are you kidding me? Th1onein Dec 2013 #82

No, your PROJECTION onto the people you're calling out as "arrogant" skepticscott Dec 2013 #86

You really need to inform yourself. Th1onein Dec 2013 #88

In most single payer health care countries, this would not be allowed. mucifer Dec 2013 #6

Agreed on the reprieve through Xmas Warpy Dec 2013 #7

Believe me, I know what it looks like. I have seen children kept alive like this in the hospital. mucifer Dec 2013 #10

She is not being kept alive. She is dead. They are pumping oxygen into a corpse. nt magical thyme Dec 2013 #17

didn't some judge order them not to take her off the machines ? otherwise the hospital would have i JI7 Dec 2013 #20

The judge gave them till Dec. 30th n/t LiberalElite Dec 2013 #26

Exactly seattledo Dec 2013 #53

Not necessarily laundry_queen Dec 2013 #85

Update from the Oakland Tribune alp227 Dec 2013 #9

It's the evil lawyer cosmicone Dec 2013 #12

The family believes in God, not the medical profession. wisteria Dec 2013 #25

Ever heard of "objective" evidence? cosmicone Dec 2013 #30

Are you so sure they are your tax dollars? wisteria Dec 2013 #45

I have never ever seen a brain dead person come to life cosmicone Dec 2013 #48

"And, it is sad that you place more faith in human science than in God." alp227 Dec 2013 #58

Perhaps more faith is placed in Science than in God SorellaLaBefana Dec 2013 #64

Please, wisteria,this is pretty final. A brain dead person is dead, and it is almost catbyte Dec 2013 #61

You are misinformed. Th1onein Dec 2013 #76

Oh, please. Show me ONE verified case wheere a person has been brain dead for catbyte Dec 2013 #79

Is there any proof that "God" exists? Or at least proof that doesn't rely on pure faith or emotion? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #83

If they have so much "faith" in "god" skepticscott Dec 2013 #32

She needs time to heal? wisteria Dec 2013 #46

If almighty god is going to bring her back to life cosmicone Dec 2013 #50

Needs time to heal? Why? skepticscott Dec 2013 #54

Why are YOU godbotting this thread? alp227 Dec 2013 #59

Miracles proven? Really? Codeine Dec 2013 #71

If "God" was going to perform a miracle, you wouldn't NEED the machines. PassingFair Dec 2013 #34

God provided the will to create the machines. wisteria Dec 2013 #47

for some...but not this one... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #52

She's a stiff! Codeine Dec 2013 #72

Wonder if the family originally informed the nursing home that the patient was dead? JNinWB Dec 2013 #13

the article mentioned they backed out after discussions with Children's Hospital magical thyme Dec 2013 #18

I feel so sorry for the parents ripcord Dec 2013 #14

Her daughter LiberalElite Dec 2013 #27

This is incredibly tragic Scairp Dec 2013 #15

And people wonder why health care costs so much money. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #19

brain dead is not to be confused with something like comatose or persistent vegetative state Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #21

Donate her organs SCVDem Dec 2013 #22

Heart breaking NNguyenMD Dec 2013 #23

Thank you for your post and perspective theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #24

Yes I had an elderly cousin LiberalElite Dec 2013 #28

In relation to the failure of a physician to attend intaglio Dec 2013 #29

One of my attending professors at Harvard cosmicone Dec 2013 #31

This is a local story and as best I can tell, this may be the heart of the problem. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #35

Kind of harsh isn't it - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #38

Nope, not harsh at all. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #39

ok point taken nt LiberalElite Dec 2013 #40

+1 n/t southern_belle Dec 2013 #41

Thank you Gormy Cuss and also NNguyenMD for your compassion toward this family. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #81

a moving and intelligent post n/t Psephos Dec 2013 #43

Update: Facility found for Calif. teen on ventilator Judi Lynn Dec 2013 #36

Is the hospital still refusing to insert the tubes she'd need rocktivity Dec 2013 #37

Right, because doctors are always right. Th1onein Dec 2013 #44

Well said! n/t wisteria Dec 2013 #49

Horseshit. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #55

Great argument. Rah Rah. Th1onein Dec 2013 #67

Yep. Fauxnews and Daily mail are great sources. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #68

I guess the BBC, Huff Post, and the Telegraph are also bad sources? Th1onein Dec 2013 #69

I see you have gone to trustworthy sources intaglio Dec 2013 #56

No kidding. This thread has brought out startling anti science sentiment on a PROGRESSIVE board. alp227 Dec 2013 #60

This is so sad and I can barely bring myself to comment about it. Dash87 Dec 2013 #70

New York facility is 'last hope' for girl declared brain dead, family say rocktivity Dec 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2013 #84

I'm a nurse. I've been there. w8liftinglady Dec 2013 #87