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In reply to the discussion: The NSA Has A Way To Intercept Computers Mid-Shipment And Install Spyware On Them [View all]merrily
(45,251 posts)56. I already responded to your internet point, as best I understand it.
If you still want to pretend that there is no difference between government spying and an advertiser spying, I have no patience for that kind of posting game. Besides, the fact that something has been done does not mean that it was consistent with the Constitution.
So far the only ones i have heard that have been spied on are world leaders
If that is true, you simply have not been paying close enough attention.
If you have other evidence that proves otherwise...please present it.
On that, no, and for these reasons. First, it has been all over the news that data has been collected on millions of people. That, whether you choose to admit it or not, is spying. It has also been all over the news that NSA has spied on whoever it has chosen to spy on, like wives and lovers. And that is only what we know about. So, either you should google or you should be more explicit. Second, the point of secret programs is to make producing evidence difficult. Third, there are cameras and sound equipment all over city streets. There are listening devices that can pick up conversations inside your home (and have been for some time. You are me to prove that they have never been abused, when such things are top secret?
Ability is not the same thing has HAS is it?
Well, my original post was about ability. And you chose to pretend that it said something other than it said. But I think I have already responded some to your point about ability. And why develop the ability the ability if you don't want to use it at will.
But again, read the Bill of Rights.
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Judi Lynn
Dec 2013
OP
Wouldn't it be most efficient to intercept shipments from the factories to the distribution points?
Habibi
Dec 2013
#24
It's very naive to think that the NSA only spies on known terrorists. Besides the Patriot Act
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#34
Not naive enough to believe that the govt is putting spyware on your new laptop for christmas...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#35
You guys are so great with your strawmen. NO ONE THINKS THE NSA IS SPYING ON EVERYONE.
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#43
Well some seem to think that the NSA is intercepting all computers and putting
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#44
No one thinks that. That is pure BS. But it's a waste of time trying to explain to those
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#51
How ridiculous. No one thinks they are intercepting all computers. That's called a strawman.
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#62
I missed your point. Mine was that Obama has made no changes to the spying that was started under
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#72
Well he appointed the Bush guys to continue working as heads of the spy agencies.
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#91
So you are trying to tell me that hard line conservatives working for Bush are
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#106
What would you guess is the ration of politically conservative right-wing people to politically
JDPriestly
Dec 2013
#70
Are you suggesting that with every new administration we just fire everyone working for the govt?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#96
Thanks to the administration's insane definition of terrorism, at least a few posters on DU are.
LeftyMom
Dec 2013
#78
Not convicted but what we are discussing that he did IS against the law right?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#93
Of course the NSA apologists here will claim that it's only meta-data which we all know is
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#15
I don't think you know what metadata is...it has nothing to do with malware being placed
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#36
Of course you think that only you know. The NSA apologists continue to deny there is a
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#39
You missed the point all together. It's the idiot NSA apologists that continue
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#45
How does one "object" to Snowden? Do you object to all whistle-blowers? Why?
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#74
Here's what happens when you or I commit the crime of tampering with the US mail...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#16
But boxes in his garage!!!1! And its "only" metadata!!1 And will no-one think of his poor "fiance"!
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#21
when did anyone including those that oppose what snowden and greenwald have done
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#33
I cannot believe smart people actually think this is happening to them!
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#29
Then again, who would believe every email and telephone call can be monitored at will?
merrily
Dec 2013
#31
Having the ability is not the same as having proof that it HAS happened.
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#58
You have to have specific proof that it has in order to prove its doing it.
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#60
By the way...you understand it wasn't Google that invented the Internet right?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#61
No one is thinking it's happening to them. Stop the strawmen. The point is that the NSA has the
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#73