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90. This no changes under Obama sounds like your opinion

Reply to rhett o rick (Reply #72)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:44 PM

Dec 2013

and not necessarily fact. Which particular spying was "started under Bush" and how would you know it's still going on?

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The NSA Has A Way To Intercept Computers Mid-Shipment And Install Spyware On Them [View all] Judi Lynn Dec 2013 OP

Glenn Greenwald Video Keynote To 30c3 12/27/2013 cantbeserious Dec 2013 #1

Hedges On the Security State cantbeserious Dec 2013 #2

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #3

What do they do if you order it overnight? WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2013 #4

If you're important to them... caraher Dec 2013 #5

They'll send someone to your house in a plumber's outfit savalez Dec 2013 #7

Plumbers!?!?! DeSwiss Dec 2013 #11

Wouldn't it be most efficient to intercept shipments from the factories to the distribution points? Habibi Dec 2013 #24

No, because then you can't target certain people. RC Dec 2013 #25

So it's back to build your own hardware and write your own operating system. jakeXT Dec 2013 #6

Writing your own OS is probably unnecessary Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #10

And the hardware ? jakeXT Dec 2013 #12

Jesus! Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #17

come on, you are Jesus, you can do it. olddad56 Dec 2013 #22

Not Jesus, I'm just a humble prophet n/t Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #38

Maybe harvest older chips, from the mid-nineties or earlier, Ghost Dog Dec 2013 #83

I'm not sure that would be an asset to them cprise Dec 2013 #48

As long as..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #14

I don't think so. Open source... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #64

are you affiliated with a known terrorist group? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #27

It's very naive to think that the NSA only spies on known terrorists. Besides the Patriot Act rhett o rick Dec 2013 #34

Not naive enough to believe that the govt is putting spyware on your new laptop for christmas... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #35

You guys are so great with your strawmen. NO ONE THINKS THE NSA IS SPYING ON EVERYONE. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #43

Well some seem to think that the NSA is intercepting all computers and putting VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #44

No one thinks that. That is pure BS. But it's a waste of time trying to explain to those rhett o rick Dec 2013 #51

Read this thread and see if it isn't VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #53

How ridiculous. No one thinks they are intercepting all computers. That's called a strawman. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #62

Yes they do...read this thread. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #63

The same programs and personel as under Bush? reACTIONary Dec 2013 #66

I missed your point. Mine was that Obama has made no changes to the spying that was started under rhett o rick Dec 2013 #72

This no changes under Obama sounds like your opinion Progressive dog Dec 2013 #90

Well he appointed the Bush guys to continue working as heads of the spy agencies. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #91

That's sure proof that the law violations continue since Progressive dog Jan 2014 #105

So you are trying to tell me that hard line conservatives working for Bush are rhett o rick Jan 2014 #106

Do subordinates work for their boss? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #107

What would you guess is the ration of politically conservative right-wing people to politically JDPriestly Dec 2013 #70

Are you suggesting that with every new administration we just fire everyone working for the govt? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #96

NSA is responsible for all signals intellegence... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #65

Thanks to the administration's insane definition of terrorism, at least a few posters on DU are. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #78

Wait - Angela Merkel is affiliated with known "terrorist" group? Maedhros Dec 2013 #79

"a known terrorist group." Like the NSA or the CIA? olddad56 Dec 2013 #95

Are you a member? Because that is the question I asked... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #97

and people think Snowden is a traitor. Wow olddad56 Dec 2013 #8

he is....we don't have to think it to make it so... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #28

If you back the NSA, you are a traitor to your country. olddad56 Dec 2013 #71

why is opposing what Snowden did...supporting the NSA? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #85

Thank You for Making the Case so Honestly. "We (YOU) don't have to THINK 2banon Dec 2013 #77

The law IS the law....he broke it. He IS guilty of the crimes... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #86

Odd... rexcat Dec 2013 #92

Not convicted but what we are discussing that he did IS against the law right? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #93

Except you stated... rexcat Dec 2013 #99

well he HAS admitted it has he not? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #100

You missed my original point and are obfuscating... rexcat Dec 2013 #102

No if he admitted the crime.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #103

Having a congent discussion... rexcat Jan 2014 #104

You won't get to choose the charges he faces will you? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #101

"The law is the law" 2banon Dec 2013 #94

But they only do it for our own good. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #9

"Power is not a means; it is an end." Psephos Dec 2013 #13

The greatest... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #80

Of course the NSA apologists here will claim that it's only meta-data which we all know is rhett o rick Dec 2013 #15

I don't think you know what metadata is...it has nothing to do with malware being placed VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #36

Of course you think that only you know. The NSA apologists continue to deny there is a rhett o rick Dec 2013 #39

No but I do know what Metadata is.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #40

You missed the point all together. It's the idiot NSA apologists that continue rhett o rick Dec 2013 #45

Please direct me to posts that say VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #41

So you tell me that you think the NSA needs to be under tighter controls. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #47

I do...but it has nothing to do with opposing Snowden does it? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #52

You should be worried about your government's policies. Ash_F Dec 2013 #69

How does one "object" to Snowden? Do you object to all whistle-blowers? Why? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #74

i honestly don't understand giving the gov't the benefit of the doubt pothos Dec 2013 #75

Some need desperately to believe in their authoritarian leaders. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #76

Here's what happens when you or I commit the crime of tampering with the US mail... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #16

Solution: walk into a brick and mortar store and buy it off the shelf thesquanderer Dec 2013 #18

Solution -- get the NSA to obey the law! Period. n/t Indi Guy Dec 2013 #20

Solution -- BOTH! Also this...... cprise Dec 2013 #57

Better solution: jeff47 Dec 2013 #68

I am a big Apple fan... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #82

That's some scary shit. loudsue Dec 2013 #19

But boxes in his garage!!!1! And its "only" metadata!!1 And will no-one think of his poor "fiance"! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #21

they're traitors!! pothos Dec 2013 #23

when did anyone including those that oppose what snowden and greenwald have done VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #33

Why do you hate America? Newsjock Dec 2013 #26

I cannot believe smart people actually think this is happening to them! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #29

Then again, who would believe every email and telephone call can be monitored at will? merrily Dec 2013 #31

they are not.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #32

What does "they are not" refer to? merrily Dec 2013 #37

like what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #42

I thought--or hoped-- the bill of rights applied to government. merrily Dec 2013 #46

the Internet was never private.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #49

I already responded to your internet point, as best I understand it. merrily Dec 2013 #56

Having the ability is not the same as having proof that it HAS happened. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #58

I already responded to that point, too. merrily Dec 2013 #59

You have to have specific proof that it has in order to prove its doing it. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #60

P.S. It's not "only" the internet, as if that were not bad enough. merrily Dec 2013 #50

P.S. this is about putting malware on computers... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #54

By the way...you understand it wasn't Google that invented the Internet right? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #61

No one is thinking it's happening to them. Stop the strawmen. The point is that the NSA has the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #73

Not long after 911, Bin Laden claimed he'd won. merrily Dec 2013 #30

Once this filters into the computer world..... blackspade Dec 2013 #55

Americans are the terr'ists, now. Thanks, 9/11. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #67

"Unable to connect to NSA servers. Contact your network administrator." ifyousayso Dec 2013 #81

Really powerful interview polynomial Dec 2013 #84

kick. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #87

This is the new America, why don't they just email the malware to us and order us to install it? ... olddad56 Dec 2013 #88

Perhaps it is time to change the name from America to Acirema .... olddad56 Dec 2013 #89

I say bullshit!!! hexola Dec 2013 #98