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In reply to the discussion: Lynne Stewart has been released from prison. [View all]msanthrope
(37,549 posts)111. Look...when you help your client release a fatwa about killing "the Jews," you can hardly
be surprised when the DOJ goes after you....
The October 2000 Fatwah
w. On or about October 3, 2000, Taha called SATTAR anddiscussed a fatwah Taha had written under Abdel Rahmans name in responseto recent events in the Middle East, to which SATTAR had made revisions.
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x. On or about October 4, 2000, SATTAR called YassirA1-Sirri, a co-conspirator not named as a defendant herein, and readto him a fatwa to be issued under Abdel Rahmans name entitled, FatwahMandating the Killing of Israelis Everywhere, which A1-Sirri agreed torevise and disseminate.
y. On or about October 5, 2000, the fatwa appeared on theweb-site operated by A1-Sirri. The fatwah called on brother scholarseverywhere in the Muslim world to do their part and issue a unanimousatwah that urges the Muslim nation to fight the Jews, and to kill themwherever they are. The fatwah further urged the Muslim nation tofight the Jews by all possible means of Jihad, either by killing them asindividuals or by targeting their interests, and the interests of thosewho support them, as much as they can.
z. On or about October 11, 2000, during a telephoneconversation, YOUSRY told STEWART that Abdel Rahman did not want hisattorneys to deny that he had issued the fatwah urging the killing ofJews around the world and the targeting of the interests of those whosupport them.
aa. On or about October 11, 2000, during a telephoneconversation, STEWART told YOUSRY that she could not deny that she hadissued the press release in June 2000, and that her position was thatAbdel Rahman is going to get his message out no matter what.
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bb. On or about October 20, 2000, during an attorneytelephone call to Abdel Rahman, YOUSRY was told by Abdel Rahman that hedid not personally issue the fatwah, but did not want anyone to deny hehad made it because it is good.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/uslstwrt111903sind.html
w. On or about October 3, 2000, Taha called SATTAR anddiscussed a fatwah Taha had written under Abdel Rahmans name in responseto recent events in the Middle East, to which SATTAR had made revisions.
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x. On or about October 4, 2000, SATTAR called YassirA1-Sirri, a co-conspirator not named as a defendant herein, and readto him a fatwa to be issued under Abdel Rahmans name entitled, FatwahMandating the Killing of Israelis Everywhere, which A1-Sirri agreed torevise and disseminate.
y. On or about October 5, 2000, the fatwa appeared on theweb-site operated by A1-Sirri. The fatwah called on brother scholarseverywhere in the Muslim world to do their part and issue a unanimousatwah that urges the Muslim nation to fight the Jews, and to kill themwherever they are. The fatwah further urged the Muslim nation tofight the Jews by all possible means of Jihad, either by killing them asindividuals or by targeting their interests, and the interests of thosewho support them, as much as they can.
z. On or about October 11, 2000, during a telephoneconversation, YOUSRY told STEWART that Abdel Rahman did not want hisattorneys to deny that he had issued the fatwah urging the killing ofJews around the world and the targeting of the interests of those whosupport them.
aa. On or about October 11, 2000, during a telephoneconversation, STEWART told YOUSRY that she could not deny that she hadissued the press release in June 2000, and that her position was thatAbdel Rahman is going to get his message out no matter what.
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bb. On or about October 20, 2000, during an attorneytelephone call to Abdel Rahman, YOUSRY was told by Abdel Rahman that hedid not personally issue the fatwah, but did not want anyone to deny hehad made it because it is good.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/uslstwrt111903sind.html
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Criminal defense attorney who was convicted of violating the SAMs her client was under.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#10
A Fatwa is a legal opinion. It is not binding to those outside the issuers sphere
alfredo
Jan 2014
#16
He chose to use her. Terrorists do that sort of thing. She, however, made her choices. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#51
Meh. IMO the government should be more than just barely on the right side of the law...
Recursion
Jan 2014
#147
"The message that Islamic Group should reconsider a cease-fire in attacks against the Egyptian
merrily
Jan 2014
#37
Did the Patriot Act have a time machine? She was convicted of acts prior to its passage. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#46
Does no one teach civics anymore? Lynne Stewart was convicted of acts that took place before
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#61
Look...when you help your client release a fatwa about killing "the Jews," you can hardly
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#111
Ignoring the "Kill the Jews" fatwa is predictable. But nothing erases that indictment. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#115
Why wouldn't communications between her and her client be subject to attorney-client privilege?
The Stranger
Jan 2014
#75
Privilege can be "limited"? That could only mean waiver. The attorney cannot waive privilege on
The Stranger
Jan 2014
#82
Not only can the attorney NOT waive the privilege without the client's consent, these "special
The Stranger
Jan 2014
#122
So the government should void her conviction just because she thinks it unconstitutional?
hack89
Jan 2014
#157
Communication regarding his legal issues is...communication outside those matters is not.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#83
Tell me...what specific SAMs was the sheik under that you think were unjustifiable? nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#84
Shockingly, one does not have a constitutional right to continue criminal activity
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#101
Rug...some people need SAMs because they refuse to stop their criminal behavior. Mob bosses, gang
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#108
She did..the 2nd circuit's opinion is devastating. But, she's near death apparently.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#11
Sure...if I were a Stewart supporter I'd dismiss that opinion's inconvenient recitation of facts,
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#52
Let's all keep in mind who was the defense council for the Redcoats of the Boston Massacre....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#21
Exactly what did land her in prison? Do you know exactly what the notes that she passed on said?
merrily
Jan 2014
#41
Of course. But the attorney who colludes with a client in breaking the law is despicable.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#24
Considering this is something that happened during the Bush Era it makes you wonder.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#26
Not at all...she's on tape, laughing about the USS Cole bombing. The 2nd circuit opinion
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#27
But not a time machine. The Clinton DOJ had her, on videotape.....you should read the
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#30
Did you catch all of the restrictions they put on her when meeting with her own client?
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#32
Yes..and she could have challenged those restrictions. Instead she chose to perjure
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#47
Or someone who didn't take it seriously because she knew it was a show trial.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#60
We have a "lock em up and throw away the key" mentality in the United States.....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#63
She deserved a stiffer sentence, because she knew better. As an attorney, I will tell you
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#64
Come on. If we started locking up unethical lawyers there would be no room for prisoners.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#67
Had she been, I think more reputable lawyer's associations would have mounted a defense
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#70
Even assuming that the context supports the statement, laughing about the USS Cole is not a crime.
merrily
Jan 2014
#36
No...but facilitating your client's violation of SAMs while laughing about the Cole is. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#49
Can you post a link to the tape, on which she is "laughing about the USS Cole bombing"?
ronnie624
Jan 2014
#151
Yes...that is what she did. Your defense of her seems to be scattershot and ill-reasoned.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#48
People aren't free to break laws and rules they view as unconstitutional. Personal opinions
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#59
just help disseminate a fatwa related to killing people. No harm there I guess.
HERVEPA
Jan 2014
#128
I'm pretty sure the "Kill the Jews" fatwa would have been dealt with in the same way. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#116
Releasing her is a mistake. She should stay in prison for helping terrorists.
Pterodactyl
Jan 2014
#143