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100. the National Security State

Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:00 PM

Jan 2014

Compartmentalizing the breadth and width of the problem into one untouchable agency is not really doing the problem justice.
I think we need to define the situation more accurately by framing the historical facts more broadly.
Pinning everything on some policy is ignoring the real issues at the root of the problem.
We should think about addressing what has really become of this country and our hopes for democracy since 1947.

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Rand Paul suing White House over NSA policies [View all] Redfairen Jan 2014 OP

Remember near the end xxqqqzme Jan 2014 #1

The trouble with that christx30 Jan 2014 #2

They're all orcs, man: onwardsand upwards Jan 2014 #3

rushbo xxqqqzme Jan 2014 #4

Nope atreides1 Jan 2014 #46

What represents the ring? SummerSnow Jan 2014 #32

BFEE freebrew Jan 2014 #34

Jacob Rothschild is Sauron onwardsand upwards Jan 2014 #91

What is that phrase describing a person who rushes out in front to disingenously make an argument... Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #5

An asshole. nt DRoseDARs Jan 2014 #6

Aside from the obvious--perfectly accurate answer though it may be! *nt Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #7

Luckily I swallowed my tea first, but then LOL for real. nt GoneFishin Jan 2014 #17

Wrong! pocoloco Jan 2014 #33

Amen. n/t Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #53

Ironically, I agree 100%, because I praise actions not personalities. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #98

I dunno, I dunno, but it's a cool concept. onwardsand upwards Jan 2014 #8

Replaced billhicks76 Jan 2014 #9

Hear, hear!!! onwardsand upwards Jan 2014 #11

You are EXACTLY right. Titonwan Jan 2014 #20

You are correct. Exactly what I was thinking as I read through this thread... truth2power Jan 2014 #26

A lot of Democrats have a "Dear Leader" complex. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #62

Political American Idol ...too good for Fox. L0oniX Jan 2014 #68

This is exactly how Bush went down billhicks76 Jan 2014 #84

Exactly. nt NorthCarolina Jan 2014 #31

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jan 2014 #41

Absolutely right. pangaia Jan 2014 #52

Paul is right on this issue and several others, e.g. marijuana, Syria. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #56

Excellent points customerserviceguy Jan 2014 #77

I think it's something else billhicks76 Jan 2014 #85

buttache rucky Jan 2014 #12

There's nothing "disingenuous" about it. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #54

NPD DeSwiss Jan 2014 #90

Hey, Aqua Bubbha! Just sue every member of Congress who passed the law, you lying dumbass! n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #10

The NSA is massively unpopular right now with Americans Ash_F Jan 2014 #13

For the sake of factual accuracy, Harry Truman had more to do wth the NSA than any Republican..... marble falls Jan 2014 #45

Absolutely right. Only a mindless partisan would ignore this historical fact. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #55

OK but the people who head the NSA are people like Alexander and Clapper Ash_F Jan 2014 #103

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 .... that would be the President prior to Reagan marble falls Jan 2014 #104

The NSA is a shit stain on the constitution. L0oniX Jan 2014 #66

the National Security State reddread Jan 2014 #100

The Political Spectrum is Round bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #14

Good points. pangaia Jan 2014 #57

I had a teacher in HS a long time ago BlueStreak Jan 2014 #71

Making Political Hay bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #80

I absolutely agree with you, BlueStreak. United we stand, divided we fall. Th1onein Jan 2014 #83

Or to put it another way, why should we stand with Diane Feinstein on this issue? BlueStreak Jan 2014 #92

Absolutely. Th1onein Jan 2014 #106

Rand Paul is the Michelle Bachmann of the Senate. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #15

Actually Ted Crudz is the Michelle Bachmann of the Senate. BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #35

Except that now he's right about something. n/t Orsino Jan 2014 #42

You're one of the very few to say it, though many, me included, agree. I hope you don't get .... marble falls Jan 2014 #47

I have no doubt that if asked to string together more than two sentences on the subject... Orsino Jan 2014 #49

True, too. marble falls Jan 2014 #50

All the Snowden fans should be ecstatic. baldguy Jan 2014 #16

Where's the Democrats on this? Titonwan Jan 2014 #21

Yes, Where ARE the Democrats on this? It seems that truth2power Jan 2014 #30

Not really Bradical79 Jan 2014 #105

Did you even bother to read any of the replies on this thread? baldguy Jan 2014 #107

I'm with you, baldguy. appacom Jan 2014 #108

All the authoritarians should be thrilled. Now anyone who defends the 4th amendment can GoneFishin Jan 2014 #18

Thank you n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #22

And yet the world that Rand Paul & Ed Snowden advocate is more authoritarian than you can imagine. baldguy Jan 2014 #27

AFAIC... freebrew Jan 2014 #36

Then you don't know what the real issues are. baldguy Jan 2014 #39

I know the issues... freebrew Jan 2014 #81

Your caption contains an oxymoron. I support good ideas and actions. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #97

Yes, thank you, GoneFishin. n/t truth2power Jan 2014 #28

If Sen. Rand Paul is doing this, then that means the NSA is doing all right and good then, correct? RC Jan 2014 #19

+1000. Why indeed? No, really. Why?? Hmmm. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #23

Puzzling, isn't it. Titonwan Jan 2014 #24

because the President is a Democrat Enrique Jan 2014 #25

You noticed that too, huh? RC Jan 2014 #58

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #64

It's not easy to stand with those you are thinking of as the enemy freedom fighter jh Jan 2014 #43

Some Democrats place party over everything else. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #59

There is plenty of that going on here my friend. It's pathetic at best. L0oniX Jan 2014 #63

Not only that but now a ton of assholes are going say you love Rand if you hate the NSA. L0oniX Jan 2014 #61

I bet I can even come up with some well known DU names among those RC Jan 2014 #67

Like that would be hard to do? L0oniX Jan 2014 #69

It should be, but sadly, it is not. RC Jan 2014 #70

Even a broken clock ... Laelth Jan 2014 #29

Rand Paul and the rest of Congress could defund the NSA like THAT, if they wanted to. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #37

They could repeal the Patriot Act, too arcane1 Jan 2014 #73

Sure--that's what you do when you want to be EFFECTIVE and make real changes. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #74

That should be fun... Turbineguy Jan 2014 #38

Snowden's hero is making a stand! randome Jan 2014 #40

No standing eom treestar Jan 2014 #44

Grandstanding. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #48

fuck rand paul heaven05 Jan 2014 #51

Every day, all day. appacom Jan 2014 #112

The plot is beginning to play their hand, the muddy water clears more with each Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #60

Kentucky Fried southern strategy ucrdem Jan 2014 #65

Yes, where indeed are the Democrats? sadoldgirl Jan 2014 #72

Let me see if I've got this straight: Paul plans to file suit against the current administration struggle4progress Jan 2014 #75

He sees his opening for a 2016 run. polichick Jan 2014 #76

Will that lawsuit against the Obama administation be filed at the same time as the other lawsuits? bearssoapbox Jan 2014 #78

When did congress vote on procedures for the day-to-day operations of the NSA? hughee99 Jan 2014 #82

I don't think I specified any one thing. bearssoapbox Jan 2014 #87

Congress can defund the NSA, or the White house can just tell them to stop doing hughee99 Jan 2014 #88

Thanks for the info bearssoapbox Jan 2014 #89

Nailed it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #99

I AGREE with this fundamentalist RW Tea Party Nut case. democratisphere Jan 2014 #79

You realize in the long run this suit will accomplish fuck-all in addressing the issue, right? Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #95

HA HA--Pot calling the kettle black. GOP LOVES the NSA. True bipartisanship w/the spooks. Hypocrites blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #86

Inside the mind of NSA chief Gen Keith Alexander mitty14u2 Jan 2014 #93

Paul doing what he does best Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #94

I agree with the suit itself Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #96

And today we learn why it's stupid to defend JoeyT Jan 2014 #101

My my! Look at all the "liberals" consumed by this non issue. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #102

Right now, I don't care WHO is going after the NSA Adam-Bomb Jan 2014 #109

But Paul isn't going after the NSA Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #110

Paul is still doing more than the majority of Democrats NobodyHere Jan 2014 #111