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In reply to the discussion: Rand Paul suing White House over NSA policies [View all]marble falls
(72,487 posts)104. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 .... that would be the President prior to Reagan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
I voted for that President twice. And against Reagan. The mistake being made is partisan. There has been no good use of FISA or the NSA, ever under either party. Stop being partisan.
Under another President I voted for:
http://www.cnss.org/pages/foreign-intelligence-surveillance-act-fisa.html
FISA Applied to Secret Foreign Intelligence Physical Searches in 1994
In 1978, the Congress had refused to authorize secret warrantless searches of homes and offices. After Attorney General Reno authorized a secret search of CIA spy Aldrich Ames' home and his attorney challenged it, the Clinton administration asked Congress to extend FISA to authorize secret physical searches of Americans' homes and offices. The civil liberties community objected that such secret searches are unconstitutional, but the Justice Department argued that it was better to have such searches authorized by the FISA Court than carried out solely on the signature of the Attorney General as had occurred in the investigation of Aldrich Ames.
In the summer of 1994 the House Intelligence Committee held a hearing to consider the Administration's proposal to extend the FISA to include physical searches:
Senate Select Committee Report on The Counterintelligence and Security Enhancements Act of 1994, No. 103-296 June 30, 1994
Testimony by Kate Martin, Director of CNSS, then a project of the ACLU, before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, July 14, 1994
Testimony by Jamie S. Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General, before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, July 14, 1994
Testimony by Kenneth C. Bass, III, before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, July 14, 1994
CNSS/ACLU's memo about the proposed warrantless national security searches under FISA, August 9, 1994
During late summer 1994, Congressman Don Edwards opposed extending the FISA to authorize secret searches and Attorney General Janet Reno responded.
Letter from Congressman Don Edwards opposing the proposed FISA amendment, August 18, 1994
Letter from Attorney General Janet Reno to Congressman Edwards, September 12, 1994
Congress amended the FISA to authorize secret physical searches with the Counterintelligence and Security Enhancements Act of 1994, Public Law 103-359, Sec. 9. Afterwards, the Supreme Court ruled in a different context that the Constitution requires the government to give individuals "knock and notice" when searching their homes, as the civil liberties community had argued that it did. Wilson v. United States, 514 U.S. 927 (1995).
I voted for that President twice. And against Reagan. The mistake being made is partisan. There has been no good use of FISA or the NSA, ever under either party. Stop being partisan.
Under another President I voted for:
http://www.cnss.org/pages/foreign-intelligence-surveillance-act-fisa.html
FISA Applied to Secret Foreign Intelligence Physical Searches in 1994
In 1978, the Congress had refused to authorize secret warrantless searches of homes and offices. After Attorney General Reno authorized a secret search of CIA spy Aldrich Ames' home and his attorney challenged it, the Clinton administration asked Congress to extend FISA to authorize secret physical searches of Americans' homes and offices. The civil liberties community objected that such secret searches are unconstitutional, but the Justice Department argued that it was better to have such searches authorized by the FISA Court than carried out solely on the signature of the Attorney General as had occurred in the investigation of Aldrich Ames.
In the summer of 1994 the House Intelligence Committee held a hearing to consider the Administration's proposal to extend the FISA to include physical searches:
Senate Select Committee Report on The Counterintelligence and Security Enhancements Act of 1994, No. 103-296 June 30, 1994
Testimony by Kate Martin, Director of CNSS, then a project of the ACLU, before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, July 14, 1994
Testimony by Jamie S. Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General, before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, July 14, 1994
Testimony by Kenneth C. Bass, III, before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, July 14, 1994
CNSS/ACLU's memo about the proposed warrantless national security searches under FISA, August 9, 1994
During late summer 1994, Congressman Don Edwards opposed extending the FISA to authorize secret searches and Attorney General Janet Reno responded.
Letter from Congressman Don Edwards opposing the proposed FISA amendment, August 18, 1994
Letter from Attorney General Janet Reno to Congressman Edwards, September 12, 1994
Congress amended the FISA to authorize secret physical searches with the Counterintelligence and Security Enhancements Act of 1994, Public Law 103-359, Sec. 9. Afterwards, the Supreme Court ruled in a different context that the Constitution requires the government to give individuals "knock and notice" when searching their homes, as the civil liberties community had argued that it did. Wilson v. United States, 514 U.S. 927 (1995).
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What is that phrase describing a person who rushes out in front to disingenously make an argument...
Alamuti Lotus
Jan 2014
#5
You are correct. Exactly what I was thinking as I read through this thread...
truth2power
Jan 2014
#26
Hey, Aqua Bubbha! Just sue every member of Congress who passed the law, you lying dumbass! n/t
freshwest
Jan 2014
#10
For the sake of factual accuracy, Harry Truman had more to do wth the NSA than any Republican.....
marble falls
Jan 2014
#45
Absolutely right. Only a mindless partisan would ignore this historical fact.
Mysterysouppe
Jan 2014
#55
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 .... that would be the President prior to Reagan
marble falls
Jan 2014
#104
Or to put it another way, why should we stand with Diane Feinstein on this issue?
BlueStreak
Jan 2014
#92
You're one of the very few to say it, though many, me included, agree. I hope you don't get ....
marble falls
Jan 2014
#47
I have no doubt that if asked to string together more than two sentences on the subject...
Orsino
Jan 2014
#49
All the authoritarians should be thrilled. Now anyone who defends the 4th amendment can
GoneFishin
Jan 2014
#18
And yet the world that Rand Paul & Ed Snowden advocate is more authoritarian than you can imagine.
baldguy
Jan 2014
#27
If Sen. Rand Paul is doing this, then that means the NSA is doing all right and good then, correct?
RC
Jan 2014
#19
Not only that but now a ton of assholes are going say you love Rand if you hate the NSA.
L0oniX
Jan 2014
#61
Rand Paul and the rest of Congress could defund the NSA like THAT, if they wanted to.
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#37
Sure--that's what you do when you want to be EFFECTIVE and make real changes.
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#74
The plot is beginning to play their hand, the muddy water clears more with each
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#60
Let me see if I've got this straight: Paul plans to file suit against the current administration
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#75
Will that lawsuit against the Obama administation be filed at the same time as the other lawsuits?
bearssoapbox
Jan 2014
#78
When did congress vote on procedures for the day-to-day operations of the NSA?
hughee99
Jan 2014
#82
Congress can defund the NSA, or the White house can just tell them to stop doing
hughee99
Jan 2014
#88
You realize in the long run this suit will accomplish fuck-all in addressing the issue, right?
Blue_Tires
Jan 2014
#95
HA HA--Pot calling the kettle black. GOP LOVES the NSA. True bipartisanship w/the spooks. Hypocrites
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2014
#86