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106. I take it you have never been in the military

Sun Jan 5, 2014, 04:25 PM

Jan 2014

Some of the assumptions you are making are just not even close to reality. No, the military will never have a separate group of 'gear haulers'...because those people would have to carry around their own damn gear. Trust me, what you are proposing makes absolutely no sense to anybody who has been in the military.

But back to the upper body strength argument. I was on the M1A1 tank....our fireproof suites had Velcro compartments in the back...open them up and you can pull out these straps. You see, if the tank gets hit, and people are slumped over unconscious in a burning tank (or just about any other military vehicle that has hatches on the top instead of doors on the side), the straps allow you to lift them out of the tank. That's just one of many very simple examples of why being a soldier or marine is incredibly physically demanding. The needs for physical strength in some jobs in the military are absolutely not exaggerated and certainly will not go away, no matter how advanced the world becomes.

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Marines Delay Female Fitness Plan After Half Fail [View all] Purveyor Jan 2014 OP

A good move philosslayer Jan 2014 #1

Doing three pull-ups is unreasonable? dbackjon Jan 2014 #2

Women obviously don't have the upper body strength of men philosslayer Jan 2014 #3

Bullcrap. I know many women that can do three pullups dbackjon Jan 2014 #4

I think you and I are on the same side here.... philosslayer Jan 2014 #9

Need upper body strength in Combat. former9thward Jan 2014 #12

That's the question treestar Jan 2014 #15

A lot hack89 Jan 2014 #18

Women were good haulers treestar Jan 2014 #34

You have to go where the enemy is hack89 Jan 2014 #37

And yet there are complaints about drones! treestar Jan 2014 #57

One wonders if the tens of thousands of Soviet women pressed into successful combat service during W LanternWaste Jan 2014 #60

Bet you most of those Russina women would have had no trouble with 3 little pull ups. Exultant Democracy Jan 2014 #68

It's interesting people don't recognize how unhealthy the american population is... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #91

Enough to click the mouse to drop the bomb from the drone warrant46 Jan 2014 #64

Number of pull-ups needed to pass the Army PT test: 0 jmowreader Jan 2014 #23

The Army does not have the standards of the Marines. former9thward Jan 2014 #27

Army standards Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #30

The Marines don't have a pushup event on their PFT jmowreader Jan 2014 #56

Not all Army folks civillawyer Jan 2014 #40

Sure. Then, when they have to pull another Marine out of danger, tabasco Jan 2014 #32

I have heard that story so often it is getting me sick and I am male. happyslug Jan 2014 #50

It amazes me how suddenly when this subject of women comes up treestar Jan 2014 #78

My Father, a Normandy Combat vet, told me what he had to do with a wounded soldier happyslug Jan 2014 #85

By now there should be a specialized group with the job of treestar Jan 2014 #90

I take it you have never been in the military wercal Jan 2014 #106

Women could be trained to do it all treestar Jan 2014 #110

Your fixation with the weight of the gear is strange and misguided wercal Jan 2014 #114

Backpacker carry 40 pounds??? happyslug Jan 2014 #141

Well you have obviously done alot of research and scoured wiki articles for information wercal Jan 2014 #143

Those numbers are ridiculous and NOT supportable for any length of time happyslug Jan 2014 #148

You continue to exhibit an extreme lack of comprehension skills wercal Jan 2014 #150

Actually not quite true happyslug Jan 2014 #142

You're kidding right wercal Jan 2014 #145

You should read ACTUAL ARMY REPORTS, they do REPORT use of such people in such roles: happyslug Jan 2014 #147

You still are not understanding wercal Jan 2014 #149

We have had them since WWI, they are known as "Medics" in the Army happyslug Jan 2014 #140

Some men had trouble with the tank rounds wercal Jan 2014 #105

I was in the Field Artillery happyslug Jan 2014 #111

By a strange twist of fate, after my time as a tanker, I was a 4.2 In Mortar Platoon Leader wercal Jan 2014 #116

One of the problem with women is they are NOT men, and most women do NOT have the training of men happyslug Jan 2014 #130

This argument brings up two things treestar Jan 2014 #71

pretty misogynist remark there. canuckledragger Jan 2014 #6

I'm sorry? philosslayer Jan 2014 #8

that is why males still have to do more Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #10

Shouldn't it be the same for both? dbackjon Jan 2014 #13

no argument here Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #19

i think there is also a question of the purpose of the standard. thesquanderer Jan 2014 #29

The job needs you to do pull-ups treestar Jan 2014 #35

Lol! n/t PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #45

I cry bullshit also Scairp Jan 2014 #98

If I recall correctly, the Presidential Physical Fitness Award requires the same. 1000words Jan 2014 #5

I couldn't do the three in elementary school (and I'm male) thesquanderer Jan 2014 #28

I can do three pull ups. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #7

only one of the standards Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #11

So, skip it, or do a weighted average between multiple measures or something. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #16

easy? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #20

If there's anything the miltiary loves, it's graphs, tables, curves and shit. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #22

I can't wait to see men in childbirth! MADem Jan 2014 #52

All they need to be able to do is pull a trigger. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #44

And carry very heavy loads ..... Nt hack89 Jan 2014 #51

they did that in our school system. too many kids failing tests so they dumbed down leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #152

Half of them could do it treestar Jan 2014 #14

Here's a link to an earlier discussion A Little Weird Jan 2014 #17

No one Drew2510 Jan 2014 #21

Funny, a female soldier was truly called upon as a necessity ... Deny and Shred Jan 2014 #24

Yes and a few women crack up Drew2510 Jan 2014 #31

Ok, but acknowledge many women HAVE put up with the strain ... Deny and Shred Jan 2014 #36

Oh yes, without question. I have had the honor Drew2510 Jan 2014 #38

Actually, also in three wars. Rozlee Jan 2014 #54

I'm impressed. But, Drew2510 Jan 2014 #58

Three wars? You have my utmost respect and gratitude! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #134

Thank you for YOUR service. Rozlee Jan 2014 #137

The dead hang pull up has always been a problem for many females madville Jan 2014 #25

I concur sir. Meanwhile,there Drew2510 Jan 2014 #33

They don't do dead hang pull ups, the females do flex arm pull ups. 4bucksagallon Jan 2014 #39

Hummmm. Been out of touch for a while, but Drew2510 Jan 2014 #41

Check this if you want to know the difference. 4bucksagallon Jan 2014 #43

Huge difference 1000words Jan 2014 #42

Do some research, they changed the standards madville Jan 2014 #55

Did they propose the new plan in order that women would fail? alarimer Jan 2014 #26

Ah, excuse me but many women are failing now so what is your point, schh. Drew2510 Jan 2014 #46

Plato approved equal opportunity for women in the military. Mysterysouppe Jan 2014 #47

Yeah, but Plato, to my knowledge Drew2510 Jan 2014 #48

Many other folk ignoring the tens of thousands of women pressed into service by the Soviets LanternWaste Jan 2014 #61

Like I said eariler, Drew2510 Jan 2014 #63

Lantern, I just thought of what might be a better comparison Drew2510 Jan 2014 #65

On one hand I agree CFLDem Jan 2014 #49

If someone who can't do 3 pullups wants to goto war, let em be fodder NoOneMan Jan 2014 #53

Yeah but, they would probably put others at risk which is the point. n/t Drew2510 Jan 2014 #59

I know it it NoOneMan Jan 2014 #62

This one is total baloney treestar Jan 2014 #77

Does anyone know how the IDF Drew2510 Jan 2014 #66

The IDF has a coed battalion dookers Jan 2014 #80

Thanks for the info. Drew2510 Jan 2014 #92

Thats pathetic. My girlfriend isn't a health nut but she can do three Exultant Democracy Jan 2014 #67

Why can't we accept that there GENERALLY are differences in male/female physical capabilities? tableturner Jan 2014 #69

Thank you for so eloquently Drew2510 Jan 2014 #70

As time and technology go no, it matters less and less treestar Jan 2014 #76

I've never been able to do pullups. Or climb ropes. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2014 #72

Compare to this, my family member wants to be a marine treestar Jan 2014 #73

After a quick Google search... rrneck Jan 2014 #74

IMO the bigger problem here is the load treestar Jan 2014 #75

Yeah, they're overloaded. rrneck Jan 2014 #79

what happened to a supply wagon? treestar Jan 2014 #81

Foot soldiers go where vehicles can't. rrneck Jan 2014 #82

But that load tires them out treestar Jan 2014 #88

It looks like that's just what it takes to get the job done. rrneck Jan 2014 #93

all that trouble to try to claim women can't do it treestar Jan 2014 #94

Yep, it's all a conspiracy to keep women out of the army. rrneck Jan 2014 #95

Women did fight in those days too treestar Jan 2014 #97

Joan of Arc was an exception. rrneck Jan 2014 #100

Joan never carried a sword, JOAN lead attacks happyslug Jan 2014 #146

The Army eliminated its last mules in 1956 happyslug Jan 2014 #87

Agreed, there must be some modern technological way to have a substitute treestar Jan 2014 #89

Here you go... rrneck Jan 2014 #96

Then the women who would be good sharpshooters should be at the front treestar Jan 2014 #99

That's nonsense. rrneck Jan 2014 #101

It is not; it makes perfect sense treestar Jan 2014 #109

Then why don't you figure out a way to make rrneck Jan 2014 #112

You understand the solution, right? rrneck Jan 2014 #102

Actually it is called a "Mule" but sometimes a "Person" happyslug Jan 2014 #139

Isn't this like the third or fourth posting of this story here at DU? I am beginning to wonder CTyankee Jan 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Purveyor Jan 2014 #86

No more than rrneck Jan 2014 #103

No. One is a discussion of a philosophy embraced by Progressives. CTyankee Jan 2014 #104

No. rrneck Jan 2014 #107

One is a philosophy that progressives embrace, no? CTyankee Jan 2014 #108

No. rrneck Jan 2014 #113

Thanks for straightening all of us out. Silly us, we thought it was also about CTyankee Jan 2014 #115

You're the one treating the issue like a semantic game. rrneck Jan 2014 #117

Stop it. Really. Women are part of the military now. We must all live with it. CTyankee Jan 2014 #119

Are you sure you replied to the right post? rrneck Jan 2014 #121

Not sure what your issue is. I thought we were discussing women's strengths in the military. CTyankee Jan 2014 #123

Yes, we were. rrneck Jan 2014 #124

My issue was dealing with feminism as if it si a subset of women in the military always, CTyankee Jan 2014 #125

It's far from over. rrneck Jan 2014 #126

What "combat load problem"? pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #131

If they can carry it fine by me. rrneck Jan 2014 #133

"We are the better for it." - that's it right there. Nine Jan 2014 #122

Nailed it! pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #132

I had female civillawyer Jan 2014 #84

Which Branch, Inf, Arty, Armor, Cav, JAG, etc Drew2510 Jan 2014 #138

Do you have to ask that question? happyslug Jan 2014 #144

This reminds me of the anti-ACA propaganda Nine Jan 2014 #118

I know. Hard to get this through some folks heads, even at DU (wouldja believe?). CTyankee Jan 2014 #120

Not really. rrneck Jan 2014 #127

You believe the Marines care more about "gender equality" than getting good people. Nine Jan 2014 #128

Nope. rrneck Jan 2014 #129

You sure have a lot invested in this for someone not in the armed forces. Nine Jan 2014 #135

Yes, I have a lot invested. rrneck Jan 2014 #136

... and I would also venture to guess that male Marines subjected to pain similar to childbirth Myrina Jan 2014 #151