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kristopher

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20. Bullshit yourself.

Reply to SHRED (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:41 PM

Jan 2014

They are the originators of the anti wind movement in the US. They spend hugely promoting exactly the message you are sharing. There are two fundamental facts you have wrong:
You can't build a renewable system without wind.
Wind doesn't have to be the corporate critter you are making it out to be. The technology lends itself to community ownership very well. As the system built on renewables changes, local ownership will easily outstrip large corporations because the power will be used locally and the community can keep the money instead of spending it on fuel.

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60 Minutes Hit Piece On Solar was not a mistake, the oil and gas barons are not stupid. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #1

K&R jpak Jan 2014 #2

Wind turbines dot the landscape in Spain Loge23 Jan 2014 #3

A bit Quixotic, don't you think? PeoViejo Jan 2014 #4

Is that Dali? BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #14

I don't know. PeoViejo Jan 2014 #31

Love that piece /nt Ash_F Jan 2014 #36

BIRDS yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #34

Next on Fox news- awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #5

WooooHooo HOOO! Wind rules, nuclear is for fools:) grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #6

PV rules SHRED Jan 2014 #11

The Sun and The Wind BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #16

Paired with HSR seabeckind Jan 2014 #7

Where's the rooftop PV? SHRED Jan 2014 #8

We need utility and small scale wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, hydro biomass, and biofuels kristopher Jan 2014 #15

So favoring decentralized... SHRED Jan 2014 #17

You mean prettying up antiwind advocacy with claims of being for solar? kristopher Jan 2014 #28

They have lots of PV parks solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #37

But we can't do that here in 'Merka' blackspade Jan 2014 #9

Oh they are here SHRED Jan 2014 #10

I'll take that over this: blackspade Jan 2014 #12

false choice SHRED Jan 2014 #19

In what way? blackspade Jan 2014 #27

Distruction of the envirnoment yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #35

And the alternative is what? blackspade Jan 2014 #38

Solar seems to be working in Germany beyond expectations solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #39

From the snippit you provided: 3% in 2011 blackspade Jan 2014 #41

also from the snippit: solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #42

Yet the 2050 number is still only 25% solar blackspade Jan 2014 #43

it is likely that they will have minimal impacts." The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds LanternWaste Jan 2014 #40

Doesn't sound good enough yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #44

The Koch brothers thank you for your efforts... kristopher Jan 2014 #13

Bullshit SHRED Jan 2014 #18

Bullshit yourself. kristopher Jan 2014 #20

You said they would thank me SHRED Jan 2014 #21

They love anyone who advocates a system without wind. kristopher Jan 2014 #23

name one. .. SHRED Jan 2014 #22

It's the antiwind meme that they love and promote. kristopher Jan 2014 #25

Can we get beyond the centralized model? SHRED Jan 2014 #26

Yes we can. kristopher Jan 2014 #30

I hope I live to see MTR sites turned into wind/solar farms. ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #24

Add oil and natural gas to that list! blackspade Jan 2014 #29

K&R! This is encouraging.................nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #32

Added bonus, Donald Trump has removed Spain from his list of vacation destinations. tanyev Jan 2014 #33