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96. I would not say that is not in the mix,

Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:30 PM

Jan 2014

and Americans are naively over-concerned about security in my opinion relative to, say, the Israelis. That is, we have been largely protected from violence on our shores (so far) and that is our "normal." When an American dies overseas - military or not - or here, for that not matter - that life is always considered so sacred, so precious, so irreplaceable. When our drones kills children in Afghanistan, that is collateral damage.

I think Pres O is sincerely trying to strike the right balance. His own personal view might be more "liberal," but I believe he genuinely, strongly feels it is his no. 1 duty to protect Americans from harm of violence by terrorism (or guns, but that is another discussion). He can't appear to be "soft" on terrorism.

The right balance always seems to be more readily found in retrospect....coulda, woulda, shoulda...

I don't know why this issue doesn't animate me more; it just doesn't...

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Glenn Greenwald Calls Obama's NSA Speech A Publicity Stunt [View all] DonViejo Jan 2014 OP

K & R L0oniX Jan 2014 #1

Ugh. OKNancy Jan 2014 #2

More like refusing to accept window dressing MNBrewer Jan 2014 #3

did you read the speech. It's posted here in LBN OKNancy Jan 2014 #4

That you would consider this exceptional violation of the 4th Amendment "good" is disgusting. nt Poll_Blind Jan 2014 #6

They will accept the President giving himself the power to execute Maedhros Jan 2014 #78

Touche' another_liberal Jan 2014 #104

@jricole: NSA Bulk Surveillance has had no Impact on Fighting Terrorism Hissyspit Jan 2014 #12

@ggreenwald: It has that effect regardless of motive RT @tnyCloseRead Obama: we don't collect intell Hissyspit Jan 2014 #14

@ggreenwald: So let's imprison for decades he who enabled it RT @janinegibson Obama: "One thing I am Hissyspit Jan 2014 #16

@ZoeSCarpenter: Obama failing to acknowledge that pre 9/11 intel failures had nothing t Hissyspit Jan 2014 #20

or even listen to it Demeter Jan 2014 #34

Given that it would not be true, why would the President say it? He cited that there was overseas 24601 Jan 2014 #97

@attackerman: Nothing in these proposals addresses the weakening of encryption standard Hissyspit Jan 2014 #23

Why not just provide the feed to the twit you are talking about? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #61

What are you talking about? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #127

Substantive tweets? You should get a DUzy for that oxymoron. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #145

Got nothing, hunh? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #147

You let us know when Glen makes a substantive tweet, then!!! You go!!! msanthrope Jan 2014 #151

Thank you, Ms! nm Cha Jan 2014 #183

Why? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #195

Greenwald=Fucking stuntmeister Cha Jan 2014 #182

Listened to and read the Speech... Steerpike Jan 2014 #5

Of course the Obama haters are disappointed. baldguy Jan 2014 #7

If you disagree Steerpike Jan 2014 #9

60 yrs of intelligence policy will not be changed baldguy Jan 2014 #42

Greenwald is a journalist. Titonwan Jan 2014 #70

Saying Greenwald is a "journalist" is like saying I'm a major league baseball player. George II Jan 2014 #124

In your first post, baldguy, you argued that those who are opposed to the NSA mass surveillance JDPriestly Jan 2014 #75

Reading comprehension is something intelligent people can learn. Try. baldguy Jan 2014 #87

Please be more specific. What did I not comprehend? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #93

not touching it I see! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #200

I still don't understand what you are trying to say. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #209

they wouldn't explain... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #214

"Obama Haters" ROFL! 2banon Jan 2014 #49

and if W had given this speech... SHRED Jan 2014 #88

Sorry, but I don't think W could give a speech like that. Say and feel how you want but one thing kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #129

I understand them fine. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #196

Greenwald does not pass my smell test Botany Jan 2014 #8

@jricole: RT @KenRoth: New Obama position on metadata still seems to assume we have no privacy right Hissyspit Jan 2014 #15

Is the posting of all these tweets something that Greenwald wants to be done? Botany Jan 2014 #188

No. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #194

Well it is funny that I just heard John Fugelsang on Stephanie Miller's show yesterday ... Botany Jan 2014 #206

Maybe people just get sick of the made-up shit, lack of substance, and character assassination Hissyspit Jan 2014 #207

All I said was Greenwald makes my "spidey sense" go all ding dang dong .. Botany Jan 2014 #217

Glenn Greenwald himself is a publicity stunt. phleshdef Jan 2014 #10

@ggreenwald: "Store all citizens' communications records" is a radical policy. But it's been transfo Hissyspit Jan 2014 #19

I remember the good old days when so-called journos used to actually write shit Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #36

I remember the good old days when people on DU used to discuss substance Hissyspit Jan 2014 #39

+1. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #48

homerun frylock Jan 2014 #69

You mean as opposed to posting random tweets? You should win a DUzy for that! nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #71

They're not random. And they are substantive. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #144

Substantive tweets? DUzy worthy. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #146

I don't see a lot of substance in Greenwald's twitter account Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #76

all my attempts have failed because I guaran-fuckin'-tee you that no DUer wants to venture into wher Titonwan Jan 2014 #84

Every Tweet I posted had substance and not ad Hominem. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #133

holy shit that's hilarious! wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #202

Bing Bang Beeng! Titonwan Jan 2014 #81

I remember the good ole days when human rights activists would go after grantcart Jan 2014 #89

Yeah, we all know about "GG's" new venture. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #130

Semantics George II Jan 2014 #125

Not really. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #138

Greenwald has been routinely criticized for being excessively prolix in his articles n/t Fumesucker Jan 2014 #119

Twitter is a remarkably important Union Scribe Jan 2014 #156

The data is stored and held by the phone companies now. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #80

OK. Let's say you organize a protest about JDPriestly Jan 2014 #91

So, he bashed the speech before he read it. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #11

He did see it. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #18

And of course he saw nothing in the film that caused him to change geek tragedy Jan 2014 #22

Or... because it was there? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #26

I guess we should all be so fortunate to be so brilliant geek tragedy Jan 2014 #28

You sound like someone Titonwan Jan 2014 #99

you would be incorrect. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #111

Well judging from your posts Titonwan Jan 2014 #161

if it gives you a thrill to imagine your hero beating up on strangers in your imagination, geek tragedy Jan 2014 #162

Deflection isn't pretty. Titonwan Jan 2014 #163

you write like a sports radio caller talks nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #164

Your post is an example of propaganda. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #215

Greenwald WOULD fucking know, since he's the expert on stunts Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #13

K & R Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #113

We don't have access to his financial records, but I'm sure he's making a bundle on his crap George II Jan 2014 #171

Projection leftynyc Jan 2014 #17

Bottom Line....nothing will change. NorthCarolina Jan 2014 #21

LOL! Greenwald calling it a publicity stunt? His whole career is a publicity stunt. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #24

Ah, the old debunked talking points thrown in, too? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #29

Are you Greenwald? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #38

Ah, the old debunked talking points thrown in, too? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #41

Truth hurts. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #45

And so the requisite baseless attack then spreads to me. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #47

Greenwald would know about baseless attacks. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #52

Rinse and repeat. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #54

Pretty much what that racist SOB does... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #56

comedy gold frylock Jan 2014 #72

It really is, right? Liberals supposedly supporting a racist libertarian... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #98

comedy gold frylock Jan 2014 #102

Absolutely. A self-serving publicity whore calling the President one is a LOL moment. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #110

i'd be more willing to entertain your bullshit if you could provide links.. frylock Jan 2014 #112

He supported a right-wing racist group... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #114

as an attorney.. frylock Jan 2014 #115

I really hope you're not an attorney... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #116

hey let's change the subject! frylock Jan 2014 #117

No subject changed. he's still a lying, Iraq War supporting, right-wing libertarian backing racist. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #118

still waiting for those links.. frylock Jan 2014 #149

As a patent attorney. Not exactly because of liberty or civil rights interests.... msanthrope Jan 2014 #150

You call someone a racist when your user name is a racist stereotype? Maedhros Jan 2014 #83

How can I be racist against my own ancestry? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #100

Self-hating Irish? I don't know. Maedhros Jan 2014 #105

I don't lack anything. Here we have a publicity whore calling Obama a publicity whore... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #109

No one called anyone a publicity whore but you. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #140

"Publicity whore." Maedhros Jan 2014 #141

That user name is pretty offensive infoviro Jan 2014 #157

Being of Irish descent, I find it off-color. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #158

same here on both your points infoviro Jan 2014 #159

Exactly.. Greenwald's response is always some vicious attack Cha Jan 2014 #184

Bingo... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #205

"Uh oh" is right! Good to know about Senator Bernie Sanders.. Cha Jan 2014 #210

A lot of haters in this topic Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #25

lolz...Greenwald hates harder than everyone in this thread combined Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #30

If you AREN'T outraged by the NSA and the inadequate controls the Executive Branch has on it Demeter Jan 2014 #35

I was outraged by the NSA (and a lot of other covert things) Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #46

Greenwald is a JOURNALIST Demeter Jan 2014 #51

Greenwald is much closer to an advocate than a journalist Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #65

Perhaps his background as a lawyer informs his actions? Demeter Jan 2014 #82

Possibly Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #101

Obama could have filibustered retroactive immunity and brought FISA back to pre-Bush status. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #37

errr uhhh.. frylock Jan 2014 #73

Aaaannnnndddd.... Titonwan Jan 2014 #166

Greenwald hates harder than everyone in this thread Titonwan Jan 2014 #92

Sorry, but you are mistaken Demeter Jan 2014 #32

Fairy tales for people who are afraid of the dark. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #33

Amen! Demeter Jan 2014 #27

No, it's only the ODS nutjobs who want him impeached geek tragedy Jan 2014 #31

Stop embarrassing yourself BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #64

Moi? Am I the One Running (Down) the US? Demeter Jan 2014 #85

Why don't you go start an "Obama is a Fascist" thread and be done with it? BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #154

You said it, so I don't have to. Demeter Jan 2014 #204

Did you just bring up the Reverend Wright fake scandal???? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #198

Well, I guess I'm in the minority... cilla4progress Jan 2014 #40

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve..." Poll_Blind Jan 2014 #50

Very contextual... cilla4progress Jan 2014 #74

Here's the cold hard fact, though: Maedhros Jan 2014 #90

I would not say that is not in the mix, cilla4progress Jan 2014 #96

The danger is a repeat of the J. Edgar Hoover problem. Maedhros Jan 2014 #103

I know, I know! cilla4progress Jan 2014 #122

What you believe Obama's motivation to be really doesn't mean squat. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #107

Do you care if the NSA goes through your congressman's stuff? OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #60

knocking suckers out.. frylock Jan 2014 #77

Ok, so that's spinning out... cilla4progress Jan 2014 #79

Dismissing as "spinning out" and "catastrophizing" OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #120

1. Not dismissing cilla4progress Jan 2014 #123

"Parallel construction" questionseverything Jan 2014 #131

Why do you keep bringing up Bush era transgressions? randome Jan 2014 #137

Yes, indeedy. Titonwan Jan 2014 #169

For any old crime? No. randome Jan 2014 #189

Define "goes through" please. George II Jan 2014 #126

Yes you are. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #211

Greenwald is being polite, it's worse than a PR speech. n/t 2banon Jan 2014 #43

once again greenwald wants to make himself relevant. madrchsod Jan 2014 #44

That is funny. bvar22 Jan 2014 #86

save me your pity.... i need none of it. madrchsod Jan 2014 #168

sarah palin's opinion is just as valid as anyone's.. frylock Jan 2014 #108

actually it is Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2014 #148

"everyone`s opinion is just as valid as another." Titonwan Jan 2014 #170

What a joke. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #212

He threw in the RW "pretty speech" line ... classic Glenn. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #53

the speech did not address the nsa passing info questionseverything Jan 2014 #55

It appears that those who yelled "TRAITOR!" at Snowden have switched to slamming Greenwald Demeter Jan 2014 #57

Snowden also carefully sifted through all the candidates and chose Ron Fucking Paul. tridim Jan 2014 #62

One of the few things libertarians and liberals agree on Titonwan Jan 2014 #172

Udall, Wyden, Heinrich Statement Reacting to President's Speech on NSA, Surveillance Reform ProSense Jan 2014 #58

He took all of 5 minutes to analyze the effects of the changes. randome Jan 2014 #59

I'm willing to listen to Obama, but if the news leaked about his speech is correct, JDPriestly Jan 2014 #63

And Glenn's totally right, of course. Titonwan Jan 2014 #66

greenwald allinthegame Jan 2014 #67

canned DeSwiss Jan 2014 #213

I just watched it in a cafe in the UK Helen Borg Jan 2014 #68

WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT WHAT THAT FUGITIVE THINKS???? George II Jan 2014 #94

You really, really, really Hissyspit Jan 2014 #134

Not yet, but in about two hours I'll be taking the dog for a walk, THEN I will give a crap to him! George II Jan 2014 #136

He ought to know. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #95

Greenwald was being kind. n/t Psephos Jan 2014 #106

I know, huh! Titonwan Jan 2014 #173

"going to need more than just a pretty speech from President Obama" FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #121

Greenwald would know all about Publicity Stunts. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2014 #128

You're very late to the party. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #135

Well, your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries Lil Missy Jan 2014 #160

Pot ->Kettle LostinRed Jan 2014 #132

Did you read any of the rest of the thread? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #139

fuck you, Glenn. you are the publicity stunter. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #142

Glenn please just STFU gholtron Jan 2014 #143

Awww! The president just stepped all over GG's book deal, and multimillion dollar business venture. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #152

The President's proposals amount to fiddling at the margins . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #153

The rage by some here is absolutely Pavlovian. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #155

DU has let the equivalent of the Freepers here. Titonwan Jan 2014 #174

DU has let the equivalent of the Freepers here Democat Jan 2014 #185

that's a lie. Bradical79 Jan 2014 #191

How else to interpret it? randome Jan 2014 #193

No, they don't. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #199

Are you sure you mean 'meaningless'? Or simply not to your liking? randome Jan 2014 #201

I said mostly. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #203

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. pa28 Jan 2014 #177

I think he's more worried about his publicity and his book sales. DCBob Jan 2014 #165

No, a loser is someone that's jealous and envious of fame fortune etc. Titonwan Jan 2014 #175

Now that you mention it.. DCBob Jan 2014 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author DCBob Jan 2014 #186

I think you're more worried about his publicity and book sales Bradical79 Jan 2014 #192

Hmm davidthegnome Jan 2014 #167

Of course he is correct. Those attacking Greenwald have no actual argument with his point. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #176

I noticed the same thing. Nothing but ad hom. nt GliderGuider Jan 2014 #178

You're still big, Glenn . . . ucrdem Jan 2014 #179

Can't respond to his arguments, can you? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #208

If you can't argue the point, resort to gay bashing. Second time I've seen this on DU Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #216

Glenn is so predictable he'll soon be regarded as boring -- and after that he'll just become corny struggle4progress Jan 2014 #180

Yeah, Obama! Don't you know you're messing Cha Jan 2014 #181

Oh, shit. Once you've lost Greenwald, you've lost... randome Jan 2014 #190

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #197