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davidthegnome

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Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:54 PM

Mar 2012

I can't believe some are cheering Kucinich's defeat. I may not have always agreed with him, but I have always respected and admired his service to the progressive cause. He was one of the few democrats willing to tell the truth as he saw it. I don't know what to say other than... WTF? Is this really the democratic underground?

During the Bush years, he was a constant voice of opposition, one of the few on our side of the fence that was willing to stand up and fight for progressive ideals. I think he would have made a fine President as well.

I guess some are content now to throw him under the bus, but I sure as hell never will be. We need more like Kucinich.. I do not know Kaptur well enough to comment on what sort of politician or person she is. I have followed and supported Kucinich for years - she has very big shoes to fill.

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Kaptur defeats Kucinich, wins Democratic primary in newly-drawn 9th District [View all] Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 OP

God it just plain sucks that it came to that.....both are fighters for the working class. Stupid ass FLAprogressive Mar 2012 #1

yep limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #2

reddy kilowatt and dorothy fuldheim (sp) coldbeer Mar 2012 #65

He can go back to his old plan of running for Congress in Washington state Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #3

No, thanks. WA state has plenty of its own progressive candidates pnwmom Mar 2012 #16

Over on the red side there is a shortage of progressives. n/t Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2012 #17

Tacoma or Seattle chknltl Mar 2012 #23

I think Dave Reichert would win that race in a landslide. The only district Kucinich could WestSeattle2 Mar 2012 #78

Reichert has been redistricted away from Bellevue. He'll be in a strong Republican area. pnwmom Mar 2012 #96

I was born and raised in Washington. sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #41

No. And I say that as someone who would like to see that happen eridani Mar 2012 #21

It wasn't "his own district" harmonicon Mar 2012 #79

True, but subtlties like that are usually lost on the average voter eridani Mar 2012 #99

Kaptur is a progressive too and has been in Congress longer than Kucinich. Tx4obama Mar 2012 #4

Jean Quan is a progressive too. Arctic Dave Mar 2012 #5

She was great in Michael Moore's film Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2012 #6

Kaptur is pro-life, voted 30% by Naral BlueCaliDem Mar 2012 #9

Isn't Kucinich pro-life as well? sweetloukillbot Mar 2012 #14

He was...until he ran for president in 2004 Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2012 #15

He changed his position on that, but fairly recently (nt) Recursion Mar 2012 #58

Kaptur earned a 70 percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. mzmolly Mar 2012 #27

Whatever. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #19

I really don't think the "establishment" was all that concerned about getting rid of Kucinich.. WCGreen Mar 2012 #46

Mayor, re-dux? I'm not sure that is 'sexy' enough for him, though. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #51

He couldn't get elected mayor because Frank Jackson is doing a bang up job WCGreen Mar 2012 #139

Kucinich made people aware that there is a different way than the status quo. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #73

It depends upon what you mean. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #127

Since Kaptur and Dennis are pretty close in their approach to government... WCGreen Mar 2012 #140

I'm from Toledo ellie Mar 2012 #62

yes, and because of gerrymandering... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #89

Dennis Could Always Come Back To Washington state. rsmith6621 Mar 2012 #7

That would not look good. iandhr Mar 2012 #12

That's been going on since 1789 Bucky Mar 2012 #52

Thanks, anyway. WA state grows its own progressives. pnwmom Mar 2012 #112

Come back? He's not a Washingtonian. pnwmom Mar 2012 #111

Crap DesertRat Mar 2012 #8

Although I don't always agree with him, I'd preferred Dennis Kucinich to Kaptur. BlueCaliDem Mar 2012 #10

Bad choice for Democrats. Kucinich was a person of worldwide reputation; Kaptur is nobody Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #30

Apparently the voters in the district felt otherwise. onenote Mar 2012 #33

Kucinich did little for his district... In Ohio, its all about the economy...n/t IamK Mar 2012 #34

^ Low content post ... eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #39

+1 Auggie Mar 2012 #48

Kaptur brought more money back to her district than any other Ohio Democratic congressperson. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #53

That was the whole problem krawhitham Mar 2012 #37

100% correct... n/t IamK Mar 2012 #43

Nope: Kucinch dramatized Liberal issues on the world stage AND better than anyone alive Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #90

Huh? SadPanda Mar 2012 #101

I AM saying it is better to intellectually clarify and publicize an ideal ... than stuff your face Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #103

I'm not sure what district you think Dennis will soon be moving on to, but if he doesn't take care onenote Mar 2012 #105

So petty self-interest is king? Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #106

not sure who you are responding to onenote Mar 2012 #107

Glad to hear you feel DK was responsive to his district Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #109

He can continue "serving the whole world" outside of Congress. pnwmom Mar 2012 #114

Likely in fact, Kucinich will be moving on to much better things Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #121

The people of OH care about how he represents them, pnwmom Mar 2012 #113

You ARE represented, when Liberal ideas, in support of minorities, are broadcast to the whole world Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #120

Look out for the new Current spring line up next year... Fearless Mar 2012 #11

Crying. southerncrone Mar 2012 #13

A good Democrat won, a good Democrat lost... Rowdyboy Mar 2012 #18

The most essential point made this evening, IMO n/t eridani Mar 2012 #22

Yes indeed. mzmolly Mar 2012 #26

+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #54

I agree (nt) Tumbulu Mar 2012 #77

I knew you'd be gloating that the progressive lost. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #20

The gerrymandering is repugnant regardless who does it. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #25

I wasn't saying gerrymandering was ok if Dems did it. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #28

Dems revised districts to fit anti-discrim. ruling of SCOTUS; but Repubs are "gerrymandering" Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #93

Sorry but even some dems have been guilty of it and not always because cstanleytech Mar 2012 #110

OP loves to start in-house fighting--been doing it for years Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #75

and fairly conservative fascisthunter Mar 2012 #100

Nope. I am a middle of the road voter Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #125

i'm sorry but no. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #128

If a person is a moderate about many issues, they are a moderate Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #143

You call being pro Wal Mart and anti-union moderate? Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #145

I am not anti-union Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #148

No, I am but a longstanding misuse is still a misuse. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #146

If that is true, then there are no liberals or conservatives Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #147

Disagreed. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #151

sure... the middle of wall street fascisthunter Mar 2012 #133

I do not work on Wall Street Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #144

What fight? This is a settled issue. Ms. Kaptur is the nominee and every good Democrat should Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #126

Hmm... interesting. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #141

Both candidates are progressive. One was able to convince voters that she was more effective Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #124

Thing is, she actually hasn't been any more effective, that I know of. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #134

In an economically depressed area, voters often want someone who can 'bring home the bacon' Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #142

At least that's a respectfully-phrased argument. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #150

You could as easily have said, "the progressive won." pnwmom Mar 2012 #131

The less-progressive one won, though Ken Burch Mar 2012 #136

Depends on whether women's issues are important to you, I guess. pnwmom Mar 2012 #137

Kaptur never stopped being anti-choice Ken Burch Mar 2012 #138

Perhaps Kucinich should look at running for senator or maybe even governor? cstanleytech Mar 2012 #24

Dennis can't win a statewide seat in Ohio. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #32

Yup: probably become a Green. Or? Work for the UN, etc.. Or? Independent commentator Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #130

Kucinich as very little support INSIDE ohio..... n/t IamK Mar 2012 #36

Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) JennyCait Mar 2012 #29

Dennis Kucinich is now available to fill a position in President Obama�s next Administration PuffedMica Mar 2012 #31

Or Labor Secretary maybe? Myrina Mar 2012 #56

I'd like to see this but I don't see Obama picking many Progressives for his team. harun Mar 2012 #67

Obama is NOT a even a progressive, RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #74

When progressives get as much appeasement as Repubs get from Obama think Mar 2012 #84

I have noticed this too kenfrequed Mar 2012 #129

No, he's a socialist and a commie. pnwmom Mar 2012 #115

Heh . . . BlueCaliDem Mar 2012 #135

damn! CountAllVotes Mar 2012 #35

She did not just win, she stomped him winning by 16.7 points krawhitham Mar 2012 #38

It wasn't his district anymore. Kaptur had plenty of loyal followers in Toledo who voted Kolesar Mar 2012 #40

We just lost the MOST LIBERAL member of congress RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #42

I second that. Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #132

We just have to make sure Marcy beats Joe the Plummer in November liberal N proud Mar 2012 #44

He's not cut out for plumbing either... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #69

This is so disappointing. As a progressive trapped in the 8th district, sunwyn Mar 2012 #45

Chuck Todd smiled when he broke the news. Octafish Mar 2012 #47

Or perhaps he is a Marcy Kaptur fan Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #50

No is probably a "Joe the Plummer" fan INdemo Mar 2012 #55

+10 Myrina Mar 2012 #57

It would have to be an overwhelming Republican year to unseat somebody like Kaptur RZM Mar 2012 #76

I have a better chance of winning the Boston Marathon dsc Mar 2012 #68

Yeah, and we'd all have a better chance of reaching to the moon RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #70

The district is overwhelmingly Democratic Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #71

Chuck U Todd Strikes Again Joe Bacon Mar 2012 #59

So sorry to hear this. D.K. fought for all of us. Auggie Mar 2012 #49

Thanks for all your service, Dennis n/t deutsey Mar 2012 #60

Replying to bookmark a2liberal Mar 2012 #61

Yay... conservative democrats weeding out all real liberals fascisthunter Mar 2012 #63

Yep, pretty much....nt NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #66

Marcy Kaptur is not a conservative Democrat Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #72

Marcy? Produce tht note, anti-wall street Marcy? Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #87

That sichiation sucks. Dennis will dust himself off and go back at it in another manner I'm sure. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #64

I hate to see the loss of Kucinich from the congress .... jxnmsdemguy65 Mar 2012 #80

Wow davidthegnome Mar 2012 #81

+1 think Mar 2012 #85

She is a bull dog against Wall Street. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #88

Shocking, isn't it? Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #98

She doesn't need to fill his shoes; she's been filling her own for years. pnwmom Mar 2012 #116

This just made my whole fucking day! El Supremo Mar 2012 #82

Why is there only one Dennis Kucinich? Really. Think about it. RufusTFirefly Mar 2012 #83

435 and we can't keep both of them? Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #86

I hate (NOT) to rain on anyone's parade, especially a soggy one, but... saras Mar 2012 #91

Mr. Kucinich for years benefited from partisan gerrymandering Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #94

WHAT!! rbnyc Mar 2012 #92

Its a shame... BetterThanNoSN Mar 2012 #95

What keeps Dennis DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #97

Of Ohio? onenote Mar 2012 #102

I meant against the non brown one :) DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #104

New Job for Dennis Mark D. Mar 2012 #108

Obama will NEVER EVER go for it. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #122

very sad. endless october Mar 2012 #117

Thank you, Dennis. juajen Mar 2012 #118

Wishes Kucinich the best is discussed by the people jeering him. pam4water Mar 2012 #119

don't you mean disgusted? n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #123

I never liked Kucinich. I always thought he was an annoying fringe character. chrisa Mar 2012 #149