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118. Well, they decided wrong then.

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:56 PM

Jan 2014

I'm not a lawyer and don't know the specifics. All I know is in my opinion, this is unconstitutional.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/16/nsa-collects-millions-text-messages-daily-untargeted-global-sweep

So is this.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/14/nsa-email-instant-messaging-contact-lists/2984055/

So is this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrants_n_3448075.html

I don't care what some ruling from 1978 says. The fourth amendment is more important. Its only a paragraph long, and is very easy to understand. If any Supreme Court Justice claims that this is constitutional, they are quite simply wrong. Just because five Supreme Court Justices rule one way or another does not change my opinion on the constitutionality of something.

I also didn't mean to compare it to slavery. I was just pointing out the fallacy in the argument that, the supreme court decided something, that means its constitutional. I personally would rather take a less than 1 percent increased chance of dying from a terrorist attack, than the government unconstitutionally spying on pretty much everything I do electronically, but that's just me.

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I don't pretend that I'm perfect. randome Jan 2014 #109

"already common knowledge"? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #139

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^^^Agreed! nt mimi85 Jan 2014 #158

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I agree on that, but "fend for herself" hughee99 Jan 2014 #101

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I'm never disappointed in how reality plays out. randome Jan 2014 #89

To be accurate, he caused the President of the U.S. to make a speech. hughee99 Jan 2014 #180

Yes, I think you are right. former9thward Jan 2014 #182

This doesn't change the fact that the government has an unconstitutional spying program. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #83

What is unconstitutional about it? randome Jan 2014 #85

This Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #94

Well, the metadata collection has long been ruled to be Constitutional. randome Jan 2014 #96

Slavery was once ruled to be constitutional as well. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #113

The key ruling occurred in 1978 under President Carter. randome Jan 2014 #116

Well, they decided wrong then. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #118

And yours is a valid opinion. I don't so much as support the NSA as think they are irrelevant to me. randome Jan 2014 #120

And the ruling you cite is about an individual neverforget Jan 2014 #168

So? ronnie624 Jan 2014 #90

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Shoot the messenger. The zeitgeist if our times. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #102

Didn't he do her a favor by not telling her anything? RVN VET Jan 2014 #104

He abandoned his country too Renew Deal Jan 2014 #105

He abandoned his country? He did the people of this country a great service by blowing the whistle. olddad56 Jan 2014 #115

Yes, to the Chinese and Russians Renew Deal Jan 2014 #119

you have been watching to much Faux News. olddad56 Jan 2014 #128

Thanks for acknowledging that I'm correct Renew Deal Jan 2014 #145

boo hoo.. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #107

He also says, "I support him Union Scribe Jan 2014 #108

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Are you implying something? bravenak Jan 2014 #149

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exactly Locrian Jan 2014 #163

In tell all book itsrobert Jan 2014 #121

Not the classiest way to break up with someone Cleita Jan 2014 #127

More Deflection - More Character Assassination - Focus On The Loss Of Privacy And The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jan 2014 #129

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How Ghandi-esque NoOneMan Jan 2014 #134

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Doubt there will be wedding bells. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #151

Took her 7 months to realize her boyfriend left her? Festivito Jan 2014 #161

Abandoned to fend for herself? JoeyT Jan 2014 #165

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This changes EVERYTHING yurbud Jan 2014 #169

Pathetic that this is the best the Torrygraph could do fujiyama Jan 2014 #172

They were not married and people split up all the time.... penultimate Jan 2014 #175

And if he left her pregnant, I might give a shit. Ilsa Jan 2014 #177

Is there any real evidence nilesobek Jan 2014 #179

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