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NutmegYankee

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15. No, the guns were previously legal.

Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:34 PM

Jan 2014

In CA, they were registered after a date was extended. Several years later, a new AG in the state fought the extension and won in court. Even though the owners had the registration certificate and had complied with the law at the time, they lost the guns.

In NYC, guns that no longer comply with the new law are being confiscated by the police.

The problem with "illegal" as you state it is that all of these firearms were legal and their owners had followed the laws. But now the law has changed and they are losing them. If states have proven they won't follow the principle of the "grandfather clause", why should any gun owner trust a politician who says he won't take them in the future? It appears it's simply a matter of making an existing guns design illegal.

It's not hard to see - It's the same plan as the right's attack on Abortion. Which is also a right.

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Police: Ex-Student Sold Gun in Pa. School Shooting [View all] onehandle Jan 2014 OP

so you're blaming the legal gun owner dlwickham Jan 2014 #1

Where does it say the gun was stolen???? Typical gungeoneer thinking. nt valerief Jan 2014 #4

where did I say the gun was stolen dlwickham Jan 2014 #57

Then what does this analogy mean????? valerief Jan 2014 #62

No. That was just an aside. onehandle Jan 2014 #5

which constitutional amendment talks about car ownership dlwickham Jan 2014 #56

There's only one amendment misinterpreted for the sake of fetishism. onehandle Jan 2014 #58

It doesn't mean what you think it means. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #60

Don't bother. Baalzamon Jan 2014 #61

they know what it means dlwickham Jan 2014 #77

regulated refers to "militia" not guns dlwickham Jan 2014 #76

Here is the biggest objection and obstacle to registration: Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #64

I don't agree with that line of reasoning. Baalzamon Jan 2014 #70

I have no problem ignoring an unfair, unreasonable, unconstitutional ex post facto law Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #78

If a car is stolen, it can be traced back to its owner pretty easily Orrex Jan 2014 #8

Actually you can, ATF form 4473. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #10

If the gun is registered at all, of course. Orrex Jan 2014 #12

Unless it is smuggled into the country AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #16

So if I buy a gun at a gun show, that's logged in a permanent and traceable fashion? Orrex Jan 2014 #19

If you buy from an FFL dealer, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #20

A new gun, yes. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #23

As far as I know Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #29

Did that actually come out? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #34

Unknown Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #39

And why is a database prohibited? Loudly Jan 2014 #22

Two states have used registries for confiscation purposes. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #24

Approximately how many guns have been confiscated in this fashion? Orrex Jan 2014 #28

From legal gun owners who had previously registered them Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #30

California got caught Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #31

Why do you characterize it as "ominous?" Loudly Jan 2014 #42

So you support confiscation? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #43

Phased. Coupled with a shutdown of new product. Loudly Jan 2014 #45

You really believe that we'll be a gun free society? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #46

Pretend it's 1950 Loudly Jan 2014 #47

Read the rest of my edited post. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #48

Obviously, I disagree. Loudly Jan 2014 #50

You do realize Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #51

If we can get to the point that manufacturing is driven underground Loudly Jan 2014 #52

Like driving drug manufacturing and distribution underground stopped its use Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #59

Yeah right, because drugs are so hard to get, oh wait. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #65

Kiddie porn is available too. Loudly Jan 2014 #66

And it still can't be stamped out, can it? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #67

We are such a long way from being able to stamp it out. Loudly Jan 2014 #71

I'm endorsing child porn? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #72

No, I would just ridicule you for nonchalance in the death of children. Loudly Jan 2014 #73

You're really losing it if you think that gun ownership is akin Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #74

You don't need to be an advocate of it. Loudly Jan 2014 #75

Not from felons. From normal gun owners. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #32

Is there some secret addendum to R. E. Lee's surrender we are unaware of? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #37

Similar answer to that given in reference to The Holocaust. Loudly Jan 2014 #41

So far, you're the only person that has espoused this idea friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #68

And it's a good issue with which to challenge candidates! Loudly Jan 2014 #69

I'm blaming the FACT that anyone can get a gun in the US Doctor_J Jan 2014 #13

And that is exactly why billh58 Jan 2014 #2

Registration did in fact lead to confiscation in CA and NYC. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #7

There was no widespread billh58 Jan 2014 #11

No, the guns were previously legal. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #15

I understand the concept, but billh58 Jan 2014 #21

I don't have your faith. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #25

I agree with you billh58 Jan 2014 #35

Great post. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #36

And I greatly appreciate your civility. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #38

On the surface, this sounds like a law/decision billh58 Jan 2014 #40

I also served 2 tours in Nam but I didn't walk around with a gun, I dropped bombs Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #63

Are you aware of what you are saying? Baalzamon Jan 2014 #44

Welcome back! n/t billh58 Jan 2014 #49

Where did you find mimi85 Jan 2014 #53

Not relevant to the discussion. Baalzamon Jan 2014 #55

Those firearms were legal until NYC and CA decided to make them illegal Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #18

Many things have been "legal" billh58 Jan 2014 #26

Don't get me wrong, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #27

Auto weapons aren't illegal. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #33

Except that they CAN do that now with the 4473. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #9

True that, but billh58 Jan 2014 #14

True, and I do support registration for that reason. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #17

Another resonsible gun owner defending his community. Blech! nt valerief Jan 2014 #3

First, a "responsible" gunowner doesn't sell a gun to a kid underthematrix Jan 2014 #6

So they wait until school's over? nt mimi85 Jan 2014 #54