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33. Auto weapons aren't illegal.

Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:45 PM

Jan 2014

In fact, they make the strongest case I use in favor of a registry. The registry was closed, in a dipshit vote but otherwise, it serves as prima facie evidence that a registry need not lead to confiscation.

And the weapons in that registry are simply not used for crimes. I think two, over the history of the registry, ever used in the commission of a crime. That's astounding.

The Registry makes possession contingent on:

1. Full background check, including fingerprints.
2. Fee. 200$ tax stamp.
3. Registration
4. BATFE inspection. (They can show up to make sure you still have it)

That's a ridiculously effective tool.

You just can't buy any new ones made after 1986, because the registry was closed. It can be re-opened.

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Police: Ex-Student Sold Gun in Pa. School Shooting [View all] onehandle Jan 2014 OP

so you're blaming the legal gun owner dlwickham Jan 2014 #1

Where does it say the gun was stolen???? Typical gungeoneer thinking. nt valerief Jan 2014 #4

where did I say the gun was stolen dlwickham Jan 2014 #57

Then what does this analogy mean????? valerief Jan 2014 #62

No. That was just an aside. onehandle Jan 2014 #5

which constitutional amendment talks about car ownership dlwickham Jan 2014 #56

There's only one amendment misinterpreted for the sake of fetishism. onehandle Jan 2014 #58

It doesn't mean what you think it means. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #60

Don't bother. Baalzamon Jan 2014 #61

they know what it means dlwickham Jan 2014 #77

regulated refers to "militia" not guns dlwickham Jan 2014 #76

Here is the biggest objection and obstacle to registration: Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #64

I don't agree with that line of reasoning. Baalzamon Jan 2014 #70

I have no problem ignoring an unfair, unreasonable, unconstitutional ex post facto law Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #78

If a car is stolen, it can be traced back to its owner pretty easily Orrex Jan 2014 #8

Actually you can, ATF form 4473. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #10

If the gun is registered at all, of course. Orrex Jan 2014 #12

Unless it is smuggled into the country AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #16

So if I buy a gun at a gun show, that's logged in a permanent and traceable fashion? Orrex Jan 2014 #19

If you buy from an FFL dealer, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #20

A new gun, yes. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #23

As far as I know Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #29

Did that actually come out? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #34

Unknown Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #39

And why is a database prohibited? Loudly Jan 2014 #22

Two states have used registries for confiscation purposes. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #24

Approximately how many guns have been confiscated in this fashion? Orrex Jan 2014 #28

From legal gun owners who had previously registered them Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #30

California got caught Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #31

Why do you characterize it as "ominous?" Loudly Jan 2014 #42

So you support confiscation? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #43

Phased. Coupled with a shutdown of new product. Loudly Jan 2014 #45

You really believe that we'll be a gun free society? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #46

Pretend it's 1950 Loudly Jan 2014 #47

Read the rest of my edited post. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #48

Obviously, I disagree. Loudly Jan 2014 #50

You do realize Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #51

If we can get to the point that manufacturing is driven underground Loudly Jan 2014 #52

Like driving drug manufacturing and distribution underground stopped its use Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #59

Yeah right, because drugs are so hard to get, oh wait. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #65

Kiddie porn is available too. Loudly Jan 2014 #66

And it still can't be stamped out, can it? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #67

We are such a long way from being able to stamp it out. Loudly Jan 2014 #71

I'm endorsing child porn? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #72

No, I would just ridicule you for nonchalance in the death of children. Loudly Jan 2014 #73

You're really losing it if you think that gun ownership is akin Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #74

You don't need to be an advocate of it. Loudly Jan 2014 #75

Not from felons. From normal gun owners. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #32

Is there some secret addendum to R. E. Lee's surrender we are unaware of? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #37

Similar answer to that given in reference to The Holocaust. Loudly Jan 2014 #41

So far, you're the only person that has espoused this idea friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #68

And it's a good issue with which to challenge candidates! Loudly Jan 2014 #69

I'm blaming the FACT that anyone can get a gun in the US Doctor_J Jan 2014 #13

And that is exactly why billh58 Jan 2014 #2

Registration did in fact lead to confiscation in CA and NYC. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #7

There was no widespread billh58 Jan 2014 #11

No, the guns were previously legal. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #15

I understand the concept, but billh58 Jan 2014 #21

I don't have your faith. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #25

I agree with you billh58 Jan 2014 #35

Great post. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #36

And I greatly appreciate your civility. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #38

On the surface, this sounds like a law/decision billh58 Jan 2014 #40

I also served 2 tours in Nam but I didn't walk around with a gun, I dropped bombs Helen Highwater Jan 2014 #63

Are you aware of what you are saying? Baalzamon Jan 2014 #44

Welcome back! n/t billh58 Jan 2014 #49

Where did you find mimi85 Jan 2014 #53

Not relevant to the discussion. Baalzamon Jan 2014 #55

Those firearms were legal until NYC and CA decided to make them illegal Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #18

Many things have been "legal" billh58 Jan 2014 #26

Don't get me wrong, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #27

Auto weapons aren't illegal. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #33

Except that they CAN do that now with the 4473. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #9

True that, but billh58 Jan 2014 #14

True, and I do support registration for that reason. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #17

Another resonsible gun owner defending his community. Blech! nt valerief Jan 2014 #3

First, a "responsible" gunowner doesn't sell a gun to a kid underthematrix Jan 2014 #6

So they wait until school's over? nt mimi85 Jan 2014 #54