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JDPriestly

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62. But most of them have a political point of view.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

That is dangerous, regardless of what their views are. To have that much control over the personal information about us all in the hands of people with political views and judgments, people who most likely hire people who think and believe as they do will lead to trouble. It has happened before. It will happen again, probably here.

Democracy and the openness, change and evolution that make democracy work require a certain neutrality and vulnerability in the seats of social power. This NSA surveillance, I predict, will lead to the seating of a political view and very possibly, worst of all, political fanaticism in the highest levels of social power which will be those who control the information about the personal lives of the citizens of the world.

That is why I am so opposed to this sort of control of social information. And that is what the NSA is creating. A means to achieve social control of information, that is the information about our connections to the world around us.

With GPS capability, the NSA can even determine who goes out in the woods to look at the stars at night. It can determine who goes to what church or social club. It can focus on one person or on groups. The information that this data can provide can be used to intimidate people not just through obvious violence but through the dissemination of the personal data. How much of your personal information do you want your employer or your mortgage company or your friends or family to know? How much of it would you like to have published in the newspaper? Most people at least tell white lies? Did you talk to so-and-so about your political opinions? Maybe you have forgotten, but your phone and other electronic data hasn't.

I know this sounds crazy, but I recall working for a phone company way back when long distance calls were specifically billed. That's what they are calling metadata. When I looked at phone bills and talked to customers who weren't paying their bills, I would often see how many times a week a young woman called her mother or her boy friend. It was very easy to see the patterns in people's lives. Translate that kind of knowledge into the political arena. With today's technology the possibilities are endless.

I don't know if it is true, but the whistleblower named Tice has stated that in 2004, the NSA placed phones connected with Obama including perhaps his wife and others under surveillance. Assuming that is true, there is no explanation for that kind of surveillance other than political interference.

This NSA surveillance scheme is a dangerous abomination for our country.

In addition to all the other problems with it, it places huge amounts of information in the hands of the executive branch that are not available to citizens or to the other two branches of government. That in itself is contrary to the Constitution. The executive branch is supposed to just execute the laws. Our Founding Fathers did not intend for our nation to become involved in foreign wars or have a standing military. Unfortunately, we have not been governed as they intended partly because the world has changed and transportation has made long distances seem shorter. We are more vulnerable to foreign attacks. With the information glut that it has gobbled up, the executive branch has the capacity to claim a very dominant role in our government. We all like Obama, but what happens when we get a different president, a Christie or a Ryan for example?

I think a lot of liberals do not understand just what a threat the use of technology to place the entire nation or even world under surveillance really is. I accredit to lack of experience in life and a fear of looking at the potential results of what is going on. Lots of people have trouble thinking logically about causes and effects.

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Further proof our spooks are morons who don't know when to shut up. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #1
Or further proof russia is using snowden as tool Egnever Jan 2014 #2
I expect that. I do not expect our spooks to run their mouths about their atavistic desires, bemildred Jan 2014 #3
Was there a direct quote? Egnever Jan 2014 #4
Do you often have opinions about matters you are ignorant of? nt bemildred Jan 2014 #5
Do you often buy into russian propaganda? Egnever Jan 2014 #6
Ah, this, you can do. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #7
Funny the only responses you have are insults Egnever Jan 2014 #8
Good job. Carry on. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #9
From what I've seen, he IS a tool! George II Jan 2014 #18
No. Whoever made the threats is an idiot. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #34
20 years from now no one will remember snowdens name. Egnever Jan 2014 #40
Thanks for the second. bemildred Jan 2014 #42
Good points. Christie's conduct is just typical of the terrible corruption (including the excesses JDPriestly Jan 2014 #50
Yes. More to the point, you cannot compete when you become too corrupt. bemildred Jan 2014 #53
Very true. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #63
If the threats were actually made - not made up by a former Glenn Beck associate! karynnj Jan 2014 #58
There is nothing in the article that backs up the claim karynnj Jan 2014 #10
It doesn't matter, the damage is done when the story is posted. bemildred Jan 2014 #12
Pentagon official: “I would love to put a bullet in his (Snowden's) head” brentspeak Jan 2014 #15
Is Benny Johnson, formerly of Beck's Blaze, a reasonable source? karynnj Jan 2014 #19
Indefense of snowden Egnever Jan 2014 #21
Unnamed sources get mentioned frequently dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #22
True, but when it is an unamed source, the reporter's credibility has to be outstanding karynnj Jan 2014 #25
Doesn't matter dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #28
In terms of going viral - truth never mattered karynnj Jan 2014 #30
Because that would never pass first amendment protections muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #39
So the most "credible" source of the so-called "threat" is BUZZFEED???? George II Jan 2014 #20
Gee--that sounds like how Pootie's KGB kills people!!!! MADem Jan 2014 #31
In any event, Russia will be very careful about terrorism and any embarrassing violence becaust JDPriestly Jan 2014 #37
COWARD!!! bigdarryl Jan 2014 #11
Here's a link with some pretty horrific death threat quotes riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #13
Link is broken Egnever Jan 2014 #14
Direct link: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #17
Is Benny Johnson, formerly of Beck's Blaze, a reasonable source? karynnj Jan 2014 #26
He's more trustworthy than someone working for the NSA (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #27
You mean like Snowden himself - who indirectly was? karynnj Jan 2014 #33
Snowden's moral score went up when he became a whistleblower (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #36
What do you think the political view of the majority of NSA employees is? I wonder myself. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #38
I have no idea what the distribution of political views is in the NSA karynnj Jan 2014 #61
But most of them have a political point of view. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #62
I thinkt he correct link you mentioned is this one dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #16
Yes that's it. Was boarding a plane and trying to link at the same time riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #60
Right on schedule.... George II Jan 2014 #23
Just when he's about to be forgotten treestar Jan 2014 #65
Cute, but no direct attribution. There's a better chance of him being blown up by a suicide... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #24
There's always one dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #29
"Russia denies visa to U.S. journalist critical of Putin" Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #35
Satter's case was a visa infringement. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #44
Who told you that? The Kremlin? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #48
Maybe if he was truthful about the events he'd have had more credibility.... George II Jan 2014 #54
Well, alrighty then. Quite convenient. nt Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #56
"More than 300 journalists killed in Russia since 1993, says joint report" Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #41
Yeah, but Snowden isn't a journalist now, is he? George II Jan 2014 #57
!!! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #59
I seem to remember a CIA asset who said that leakers should be "shot in the balls." MADem Jan 2014 #43
Okay. That's it! You made coffee go up my nose. You're cut off! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #46
Heh heh....what it is! nt MADem Jan 2014 #49
O. M. G. Spectacular, INDEED! SUPERB! MADem Jan 2014 #45
That was my question. Would Chelsea Manning receive the same vigorous defense as Bradley? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #47
Russia loves Chelsea dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #52
witness, all, the stepped deterioration of thinking tiny elvis Jan 2014 #64
How droll. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #66
Apparently he pissed some people off. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #32
Bureaucrats shooting their mouths off, that's all. randome Jan 2014 #51
Indeed. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #55
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