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delrem

(9,688 posts)
87. "If you really had any concern for the victims" ...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jan 2014

Nice.

Fact is that I'm being pilloried in this thread with all kinds of innuendo both subtle and unsubtle directed against me by several people including you. I *do* have some visceral reactions - tho' I'm trying to keep my head, even tho' one lovely customer suggested that the generality of my questions somehow shows that I "came out of the woodwork" to defend the perps at the YFZ ranch, this being the common theme.

Yes, Major Nikon, what I had in mind when posing my questions was to engage in a discussion concerned not just primarily with how best to do the victims justice, but *solely* concerned with how best to do the victims justice.

Regarding your contribution, abstracted from your ad hominem jabs at me, I think there's more to it than you state. If someone were to explain how the victims, all of whom are residents of the XFZ ranch, retain possession of their property through a transfer of property rights following the state seizure, I'd be happy. But nobody has explained that. Nobody has explained how this multitude of victims aren't going to be put on the street with zero assets, even though it's clear that they aren't equipped to deal with that kind of development.

Someone suggested that these residents were *all* guilty, because *all* were guilty of "welfare fraud", but nobody has told me how these victims won't be even more dependent on "welfare" after being given the heave ho, even though both Federal and State institutions are in full scale attack on everything related to such "entitlements" up to and including food stamps. Yet I'm supposed to have an almost religious-like belief that these same Fed and State institutions are benevolent to the poor and those who fall through the ever widening cracks. Nobody has explained how the Federal and State gov'ts, after they seize the ranch property, will deal with the following situation fairly so the victims on the ranch don't just get booted by some bank operating by rote in response to state institutions operating by rote - and where the most quality time the victims get in response is some kind of passing "tut tut, too bad" from a decadent middle class that's already gone onto other things to tut tut about.

Those are some of the factors I was thinking about when I posed my questions.

Now I'm junking these threads - so go to it all of you, continue accusing me of all kinds of nauseous shit. I don't care.


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Good fucking riddance Major Nikon Jan 2014 #1
I agree get the red out Jan 2014 #76
so glad those kids got taken away. uppityperson Jan 2014 #2
All of them have been returned. LisaL Jan 2014 #4
To the parents? To that ranch? To where? thanks. uppityperson Jan 2014 #5
To their parents, half stayed at the ranch. tammywammy Jan 2014 #44
How are sexual assaults on children related to polygamy? delrem Jan 2014 #3
Property that is used in a criminal enterprise is subject to forfeiture Major Nikon Jan 2014 #6
You realize that wasn't my question? Right? nt delrem Jan 2014 #7
"Is it the case that the whole community should be punished," Major Nikon Jan 2014 #12
You realize that this punishment, delrem Jan 2014 #15
I could ask you a whole slew of loaded questions if I wanted as well Major Nikon Jan 2014 #16
I don't deal in "loaded questions" delrem Jan 2014 #17
"in all your righteousness" Major Nikon Jan 2014 #18
I don't agree with a blanket "punishment" that covers perps/victims alike. delrem Jan 2014 #19
Should a money launderer be allowed to keep his home because his family lives there? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #22
That's a fucking bullshit response. nt delrem Jan 2014 #23
Just because the question is inconvienient for you, doesn't mean it's bullshit Major Nikon Jan 2014 #24
Most people would say that delrem Jan 2014 #26
It wasn't "their fucking homes" to begin with Major Nikon Jan 2014 #29
the entire community was a conspiracy to commit fraud. grantcart Jan 2014 #41
That wasn't the pretext for seizing the property. delrem Jan 2014 #43
lol, not talking about the legal arguments that was the issue for the final action grantcart Jan 2014 #45
OK, your answer to my initial questions is that they're all guilty. nt delrem Jan 2014 #48
the y are all guilty of diverting funds from welfare funds to family units grantcart Jan 2014 #52
those damn welfare cheats oughta go to jail. I love FOX too! delrem Jan 2014 #53
You aren't obtuse but aggressively so. grantcart Jan 2014 #54
I'm not! Now that you've explained how evil these welfare abusers are delrem Jan 2014 #55
Well said. Aristus Jan 2014 #42
I don't normally charge Major Nikon Jan 2014 #46
How do you know any of the property belonged to any of the victims? Ash_F Jan 2014 #20
You would strip the victims of even *that* sense of belonging? delrem Jan 2014 #21
It didn't belong to any of the victims Major Nikon Jan 2014 #25
Yah well, delrem Jan 2014 #27
That may be what ultimately happens Major Nikon Jan 2014 #28
There should be *no* seizure order. delrem Jan 2014 #30
So you think rapists should be allowed to keep property purchased for raping Major Nikon Jan 2014 #31
I think the absolutism of teabaggers is wrong. delrem Jan 2014 #32
I think you live in an abstract world Major Nikon Jan 2014 #33
I think you live in a world lacking even the minimum nuance required to distinguish perp/victim. delrem Jan 2014 #34
Series? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #35
and so?? delrem Jan 2014 #36
If it helps you sleep better at night I guess it's all good Major Nikon Jan 2014 #37
You never made one sensible argument. delrem Jan 2014 #38
You stole my line! Major Nikon Jan 2014 #39
if I may CatWoman Jan 2014 #84
"If you really had any concern for the victims" ... delrem Jan 2014 #87
Pot/Kettle Major Nikon Jan 2014 #88
I think there are a lot of people get the red out Jan 2014 #81
Thank you so much for this post get the red out Jan 2014 #77
I found it rather curious that some would defend against the government seizing their property Major Nikon Jan 2014 #83
Warren Jeffs even molested his own nephews, then cast them out of the "church" CatWoman Jan 2014 #85
Because there is so much inbreeding within the cult, the children often have terrible birth defects Major Nikon Jan 2014 #86
Organized crime get the red out Jan 2014 #90
Their criminal network is highly organized Major Nikon Jan 2014 #91
so all these criminals (and there families) lost all their property? questionseverything Jan 2014 #51
How many of those were 1st and/or 2nd degree felonies? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #56
u seem to be the le rep so u tell me questionseverything Jan 2014 #64
I'm not interested in doing your research Major Nikon Jan 2014 #65
your flippant reference to the sexual abuse of children questionseverything Jan 2014 #67
Do you actually think it's a term of endearment? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #68
My understanding is that Nitram Jan 2014 #8
maybe for the wacko sects Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #40
The FLDS has somewhere around 10,000 members and possibly many more Major Nikon Jan 2014 #57
many cultures practice it in the US Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #58
I don't see too many of those getting law enforcement actions against them Major Nikon Jan 2014 #59
That is true. delrem Jan 2014 #60
I was talking about normal people have healthy lifestyles Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #61
I don't agree with child abuse either. delrem Jan 2014 #62
Thankfully your opinion holds less strength now that you have .... MindMover Jan 2014 #69
The hell I did! delrem Jan 2014 #70
I would start deleting your own stupid questions .... because certain people could start ... MindMover Jan 2014 #71
In light of recent responses I want to double-down. delrem Jan 2014 #72
I have dealt with a lot of righteous people ... unfortunately ... MindMover Jan 2014 #73
kick delrem Jan 2014 #74
You keep saying the whole community is being punished Major Nikon Jan 2014 #89
In both cases they're examples of unbounded patriarchy Recursion Jan 2014 #9
I agree cults are bad Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #63
Thank you. LeftOfWest Jan 2014 #75
Patriarchy is only ok get the red out Jan 2014 #82
This isn't a case of one or two molestations Marrah_G Jan 2014 #11
i think that is part of del's point questionseverything Jan 2014 #66
We live in a free country get the red out Jan 2014 #79
The fundamentalist polygamous sects like FLDS have earned their nickname: The American Taliban. Squinch Jan 2014 #13
Have you ever heard of a polygamist community not run by right-wing nut jobs? I haven't. Dash87 Jan 2014 #47
The religion believes that they have to have a lot of kids because if they Squinch Jan 2014 #50
There are more out there that need to be shut down and prosecuted. L0oniX Jan 2014 #10
Absolutely! get the red out Jan 2014 #80
The town of San Angelo must be breathing a huge sigh of relief. Squinch Jan 2014 #14
reminds me of Zion, Ill.--Voliva's Theocratic Party vs. the Independents (the Pentecostals) MisterP Jan 2014 #49
I suggest it become an animal sanctuary. The Stranger Jan 2014 #78
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