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In reply to the discussion: Teenage German tourist raped on Indian train [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)105. Your citation just isn't true. How's that for a problem?
Go down to the end of your 2006 "cite" and click on "Original article." It goes to a story about birds. So....whatever.
Here are a few sources that are first, more recent than 2006, aren't from blogs with bad "original article" links, and say the exact opposite of your insistence. I'm just flummoxed that you're so anxious to minimize what is a problem so overwheming that diplomatic agencies in several contries have issued travel warnings. Now, to me, that's just flat-out weird.
Why India Still Allows Marital Rape.
Supporters of the governments decision, including the police, claim it is hard to prosecute marital rape, because unlike an unmarried victim, evidence of penetration is not considered sufficient evidence for rape. The law, they argue, could be misused by couples.
Some activists acknowledge it is hard to prove rape among married women, but argue this is not a good enough reason to deny women a legal framework to fight sexual abuse. A murder is also hard to prove, says Vrinda Grover, a human rights lawyer. But that doesnt deny victims from seeking legal recourse, she says.
Ms. Grover criticized the observations made by the Parliament appointed-panel of lawmakers as misogynistic.
These statements defeat the entire purpose of the bill itself, Ms. Grover said. One hears about cases of marital rape everyday Why then is the government turning a blind eye? she asks.
While official data on marital rape remains sparse, activists and lawmakers claim there is plenty of evidence to suggest it is on the rise.
In early 2000, for instance, two-thirds of married Indian women surveyed by the United Nations Population Fund claimed to have been forced into sex by their husbands.
Some activists acknowledge it is hard to prove rape among married women, but argue this is not a good enough reason to deny women a legal framework to fight sexual abuse. A murder is also hard to prove, says Vrinda Grover, a human rights lawyer. But that doesnt deny victims from seeking legal recourse, she says.
Ms. Grover criticized the observations made by the Parliament appointed-panel of lawmakers as misogynistic.
These statements defeat the entire purpose of the bill itself, Ms. Grover said. One hears about cases of marital rape everyday Why then is the government turning a blind eye? she asks.
While official data on marital rape remains sparse, activists and lawmakers claim there is plenty of evidence to suggest it is on the rise.
In early 2000, for instance, two-thirds of married Indian women surveyed by the United Nations Population Fund claimed to have been forced into sex by their husbands.
New India sex crime laws not tough enough: UN rapportuer
New measures passed by lawmakers in March increased punishments for sex offenders to include the death penalty if a victim dies, and broadened the definition of sexual assault.
But Rashida Manjoo, the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence against women, said the laws were still not tough enough.
She told a news conference it was unfortunate that the opportunity to establish a substantive framework "to protect and prevent against all forms of violence against women, was lost".
Her comments echoed those of other Indian women's activists who praised the intent of the legislation but said it still had huge holes.
Campaigners are unhappy about lawmakers' refusal to criminalise marital rape or increase the punishment for acid attacks on women from a minimum seven-year jail term.
The UN official, who toured several Indian states to obtain first-hand reports about violence against women, said she would release her findings to the world body next year.
She said she had heard on her 10-day visit about "sexual violence, domestic violence, caste-based discrimination and violence, dowry related deaths, crimes in the name of honour" and other offences.
She quoted one person on her trip as describing violence against women as spanning the "life cycle from womb to the tomb".
But Rashida Manjoo, the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence against women, said the laws were still not tough enough.
She told a news conference it was unfortunate that the opportunity to establish a substantive framework "to protect and prevent against all forms of violence against women, was lost".
Her comments echoed those of other Indian women's activists who praised the intent of the legislation but said it still had huge holes.
Campaigners are unhappy about lawmakers' refusal to criminalise marital rape or increase the punishment for acid attacks on women from a minimum seven-year jail term.
The UN official, who toured several Indian states to obtain first-hand reports about violence against women, said she would release her findings to the world body next year.
She said she had heard on her 10-day visit about "sexual violence, domestic violence, caste-based discrimination and violence, dowry related deaths, crimes in the name of honour" and other offences.
She quoted one person on her trip as describing violence against women as spanning the "life cycle from womb to the tomb".
India passes tough new rape law - but does it go far enough?
Yet activists have complained that much is missing from the bill.
Notably, it does not criminalize the rape of a woman by her husband. That oversight contravenes the Indian constitution, "which considers women as equal human beings who have a right to live with dignity and be free from violence within and outside marriage," Sudha Sundararaman of the All India Democratic Women's Association told the Times of India.
Neither does the bill tackle incest or child trafficking, ban politicians charged with rape from running for public office, or lower the age of consent from 18 to 16, which campaigners had hoped would prevent the unfair criminalization of consensual relationships between teenagers.
Furthermore, there are concerns that "the rush to put tougher penalties in place and defuse public anger over the issue may create further problems for India's already beleaguered justice system," Agence France-Presse said, citing the danger that inadequately trained police would misapply the new laws.
Now, that's three cites, recent ones too, that belie your weak, curious insistence (using an EIGHT YEAR OLD blog as "evidence" with a bad link) that what I said was not accurate.
My cites tell the truth about what the law is in India--your lousy one is not.
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My niece married into a family from India (now in FL) and last year when she
kestrel91316
Jan 2014
#53
Not at all. Simply pointing out that ""will get raped" if you travel to India is inaccurate and
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#18
"you will probably be taken seriously by the police" if you report a rape in NYC? It all depends.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#21
Calling a country an "evil fucking place" due to the actions of some assholes there? My word.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#25
I am not asking you to "kiss any cultures ass" but to realize there are good people there, beautiful
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#27
Again, you miss the point. I am not asking you to "take this culture's side" but to not label the
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#32
india is not a person, how about all the black kids being killed in the US, the THug cops who kill
JI7
Jan 2014
#36
india does have misogyny and there is a major part of US culture which supports killing black kids
JI7
Jan 2014
#55
how about gun culture in the US, how minority men are discriminated against , Dominique Strauss Kahn
JI7
Jan 2014
#34
That is not a rule except for some. Being able to see shades of grey is good. Speak out against
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#47
No, I just picked on a big city, nothing against NYC in particular, sorry.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#80
Things are changing here, but still too few are reported, too few taken seriously.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#24
i don't think it's condoned as much as the Police are Corrupt along with the politicians
JI7
Jan 2014
#38
How many of those rapes happened on trains? It seems like a lot of happen on trains in India.
MADem
Jan 2014
#28
i read something about the states in india which don't have the huge imbalance having lower
JI7
Jan 2014
#40
I think being politically correct is putting female travellers in dangerous situations.
snagglepuss
Jan 2014
#65
Cursory search shows Sweden at the top for rape per 100,000. India not high on list.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2014
#4
Except when it comes to JULIAN ASSANGE! Then, those women are "conniving" and "tools" and who knows
MADem
Jan 2014
#33
The situation there is DIRE and comparing their "figures" to anything is pointless.
MADem
Jan 2014
#59
I don't think it's pointless. My point is that rape happens, sadly, EVERYWHERE.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2014
#61
Do examine the links I provide, taking into account that most rapes in India are NOT reported. nt
MADem
Jan 2014
#69
Have a look at the forty five degree angle on the graph. And these additional cites which are
MADem
Jan 2014
#75
Well, yes, I do--and you can choose to not read the cites I provide, and that's fine,
MADem
Jan 2014
#84
Oh, come off it. They have an horrific problem in India, and you're quibbling about
MADem
Jan 2014
#87
If you choose to ignore the fact that women are more likely to be raped in the US,
Ash_F
Jan 2014
#99
They erred in their reporting eight years ago. I've provided you cites in refutation, yet
MADem
Jan 2014
#107
WHAT IF 'ensuring that no one will want to visit their country' is their goal?
freshwest
Jan 2014
#70
Could be the goal of the rapists...but India relies heavily on the Almighty Tourist Dollar, and
MADem
Jan 2014
#71
Sorry, but b.s. If there was "one world definition" of rape, that might have meaning.
magical thyme
Jan 2014
#89
"Granted, many rapes go unreported or are measured differently from place to place."
NYC_SKP
Jan 2014
#91
"measured differently" is a massive understatement, as is "many rapes go unreported."
magical thyme
Jan 2014
#92
Buy me a ticket and I'd go. So many beautiful places in India, such a different culture than here.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#20
I went to India a couple years ago and can't wait to back. It was amazing!
Glimmer of Hope
Jan 2014
#56