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106. It directly quotes the Independant's full article, a well known paper

Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:36 AM

Jan 2014

And Justin Huggler has been with them a long time. Do you think it was made up entirely out of whole cloth? Urls do not always survive for years. Don't dig yourself deeper.

Also you need to understand the difference between criminalization and illegality if you don't already. They are not one and the same.

But let's not forget the point of contention here, I am not arguing that women are receiving adequate legal protection in India. I was skeptical of you claim that women were safer in the US despite America's much higher rape-rate and asked for citation. The citation you have provided has only cemented that this is not true. 90% is simply not sufficient to make up the difference. You didn't know that. Now you do.

You still have not explained why you suddenly do not trust your original source of 90% after you were shown that figure does not back up your claim that women are safer from sexual assault in the US than India. A 99% rate would, but you made it up without doing any real research.

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Teenage German tourist raped on Indian train [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2014 OP

My God. reflection Jan 2014 #1

my parents are from India Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #2

when we visited india a few years ago before the attention to rape in the country JI7 Jan 2014 #22

My niece married into a family from India (now in FL) and last year when she kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #53

NY City had 1000+ rapes reported in 2011. uppityperson Jan 2014 #5

What does help? get the red out Jan 2014 #14

Not at all. Simply pointing out that ""will get raped" if you travel to India is inaccurate and uppityperson Jan 2014 #18

If you report it in NYC get the red out Jan 2014 #19

"you will probably be taken seriously by the police" if you report a rape in NYC? It all depends. uppityperson Jan 2014 #21

Good luck get the red out Jan 2014 #23

Calling a country an "evil fucking place" due to the actions of some assholes there? My word. uppityperson Jan 2014 #25

No, it was MY WORD get the red out Jan 2014 #26

I am not asking you to "kiss any cultures ass" but to realize there are good people there, beautiful uppityperson Jan 2014 #27

Acid in one's face is just "not fair" get the red out Jan 2014 #30

Again, you miss the point. I am not asking you to "take this culture's side" but to not label the uppityperson Jan 2014 #32

The country is evil, on the whole, for the culture get the red out Jan 2014 #35

india is not a person, how about all the black kids being killed in the US, the THug cops who kill JI7 Jan 2014 #36

How about get the red out Jan 2014 #39

That works. eom uppityperson Jan 2014 #46

india does have misogyny and there is a major part of US culture which supports killing black kids JI7 Jan 2014 #55

"Our culture" doesn't think that's ok, but it still happens Ash_F Jan 2014 #67

Depends in part who you ask ("our culture doesn't think that's okay"). nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #72

That, IMO, is a good point. We have some deplorable acts in this RKP5637 Jan 2014 #102

how about gun culture in the US, how minority men are discriminated against , Dominique Strauss Kahn JI7 Jan 2014 #34

That was AWFUL get the red out Jan 2014 #41

Men Stabbed, Set Woman on Fire at Wildlife Preserve: Police JI7 Jan 2014 #43

That is not a rule except for some. Being able to see shades of grey is good. Speak out against uppityperson Jan 2014 #47

Are you always this ignorant? kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #54

+1 ellisonz Jan 2014 #85

What does it depend on? dorkzilla Jan 2014 #77

Do you believe every report of a rape is taken seriously? I don't. uppityperson Jan 2014 #78

Yes. I have been. And the cops took me very seriously. dorkzilla Jan 2014 #79

No, I just picked on a big city, nothing against NYC in particular, sorry. uppityperson Jan 2014 #80

No offense taken, just wondered! n/t dorkzilla Jan 2014 #81

The NYC cops told me Madam Mossfern Jan 2014 #109

So sorry... dorkzilla Jan 2014 #110

I suspect Madam Mossfern Jan 2014 #108

I hear you reflection Jan 2014 #17

Things are changing here, but still too few are reported, too few taken seriously. uppityperson Jan 2014 #24

Been mulling it over. I would imagine reflection Jan 2014 #42

i don't think it's condoned as much as the Police are Corrupt along with the politicians JI7 Jan 2014 #38

How many of those rapes happened on trains? It seems like a lot of happen on trains in India. MADem Jan 2014 #28

i read something about the states in india which don't have the huge imbalance having lower JI7 Jan 2014 #40

i just got back from india without being raped. just fyi. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #29

I am glad. Seriously. Brigid Jan 2014 #51

I think being politically correct is putting female travellers in dangerous situations. snagglepuss Jan 2014 #65

I feel so bad for her. Damnit, this happens way too frequently! cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #3

Cursory search shows Sweden at the top for rape per 100,000. India not high on list. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #4

Thank you. uppityperson Jan 2014 #6

Right, because in Sweden, rape victims are set on fire after police closeupready Jan 2014 #7

No, India has to be better than Sweden! get the red out Jan 2014 #15

Sweden is a developed country with a modernized justice system. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #8

I'm quite certain that this and many other factors come into play. nt NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #10

Like? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #44

Like less cultural shame and fear felt by reporting victims. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #50

Except when it comes to JULIAN ASSANGE! Then, those women are "conniving" and "tools" and who knows MADem Jan 2014 #33

rapes are definitely reported far less often in India. anasv Jan 2014 #82

Your figures are, to put it politely, worthless. MADem Jan 2014 #57

Well, duh. They aren't my figures and I clearly included a caveat. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #58

The situation there is DIRE and comparing their "figures" to anything is pointless. MADem Jan 2014 #59

I don't think it's pointless. My point is that rape happens, sadly, EVERYWHERE. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #61

Let me put it this way--you ARE safer in Bangor than Bangalore. MADem Jan 2014 #62

"You ARE safer in New York than New Delhi." Ash_F Jan 2014 #66

Do examine the links I provide, taking into account that most rapes in India are NOT reported. nt MADem Jan 2014 #69

I have but what percentage do you think go unreported? Ash_F Jan 2014 #74

Have a look at the forty five degree angle on the graph. And these additional cites which are MADem Jan 2014 #75

This is still not supportive of your statement Ash_F Jan 2014 #83

Well, yes, I do--and you can choose to not read the cites I provide, and that's fine, MADem Jan 2014 #84

This source says "gender based violence" Ash_F Jan 2014 #86

Oh, come off it. They have an horrific problem in India, and you're quibbling about MADem Jan 2014 #87

OK now you are just swinging at windmills. Ash_F Jan 2014 #93

No, I'm not, and that assertion is complete hogwash. MADem Jan 2014 #94

GBV stands for all type of physical abuse, not just marital rape. Ash_F Jan 2014 #95

I'm not even arguing. I've presented you with facts and you ignore them. MADem Jan 2014 #96

Strawman Ash_F Jan 2014 #97

Just because you say so, that doesn't make it true. MADem Jan 2014 #98

If you choose to ignore the fact that women are more likely to be raped in the US, Ash_F Jan 2014 #99

I am not "choosing to ignore" it. USA reports marital rape as rape. MADem Jan 2014 #100

Marital rape is illegal in India Ash_F Jan 2014 #101

What "civil penalties?" It's NOT A "CRIME" in India. MADem Jan 2014 #103

"India Abolishes Husbands’ ‘Right’ To Rape Wife" Ash_F Jan 2014 #104

Your citation just isn't true. How's that for a problem? MADem Jan 2014 #105

It directly quotes the Independant's full article, a well known paper Ash_F Jan 2014 #106

They erred in their reporting eight years ago. I've provided you cites in refutation, yet MADem Jan 2014 #107

The article is extremely detailed, so that is one hell of an error Ash_F Jan 2014 #111

Because there isn't. nt MADem Jan 2014 #112

Amazing Ash_F Jan 2014 #113

Yep, you sure are! nt MADem Jan 2014 #114

WHAT IF 'ensuring that no one will want to visit their country' is their goal? freshwest Jan 2014 #70

Could be the goal of the rapists...but India relies heavily on the Almighty Tourist Dollar, and MADem Jan 2014 #71

Sorry, but b.s. If there was "one world definition" of rape, that might have meaning. magical thyme Jan 2014 #89

"Granted, many rapes go unreported or are measured differently from place to place." NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #91

"measured differently" is a massive understatement, as is "many rapes go unreported." magical thyme Jan 2014 #92

you couldn't pay me to go to India Skittles Jan 2014 #9

Me neither. CTyankee Jan 2014 #11

I have many reasons too Skittles Jan 2014 #12

I don't want to go to China either. But that is because of its pollution. CTyankee Jan 2014 #13

Same here get the red out Jan 2014 #16

Buy me a ticket and I'd go. So many beautiful places in India, such a different culture than here. uppityperson Jan 2014 #20

I, too, would love to go to India. athena Jan 2014 #49

agreed. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #52

I went to India a couple years ago and can't wait to back. It was amazing! Glimmer of Hope Jan 2014 #56

File this under "knockout game hype" philosslayer Jan 2014 #31

no, the problem with sexual assault is a much more real and serious problem JI7 Jan 2014 #37

Rape isn't hype. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #45

Yeah--I'm sure it was 'hype' to the victim. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #60

Not a very informed comment. To be polite. nt MADem Jan 2014 #63

Was she alone? Beacool Jan 2014 #48

You've got to assume that going to India is safer than where I live... titaniumsalute Jan 2014 #64

Good point. "Safe" is always relative and subjective. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #73

India for you. unreadierLizard Jan 2014 #68

:( shenmue Jan 2014 #76

this is big news in Europe GRACIEBIRD Jan 2014 #88

Safety tip: Stay out of India. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #90