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kenfrequed

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127. It depends upon what you mean.

Thu Mar 8, 2012, 12:11 PM

Mar 2012

If you mean the democratic establishment the third way democrats would have been more than happy to do away with him.

If you mean the establishment as the consensus of economic-political power then he was a dissenting voice that many of the powerful would be happier not to have in the vast political landscape but I suppose to talk about the establishment like it is a monolithic, anthropomorhism is problemetic though. It is more like a mood or consensus in that manner.

The fact of the matter is that everytime we do away with a progressive or left wing democrat that it moves the entire dialouge one step closer to the right. Without Kucinich some other democrat will be considered 'the most liberal democrat in congress.' Who is replacing Paul Wellstone or Ted Kennedy? Thankfully we still have Bernie Sanders for the moment.

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Kaptur defeats Kucinich, wins Democratic primary in newly-drawn 9th District [View all] Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 OP

God it just plain sucks that it came to that.....both are fighters for the working class. Stupid ass FLAprogressive Mar 2012 #1

yep limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #2

reddy kilowatt and dorothy fuldheim (sp) coldbeer Mar 2012 #65

He can go back to his old plan of running for Congress in Washington state Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #3

No, thanks. WA state has plenty of its own progressive candidates pnwmom Mar 2012 #16

Over on the red side there is a shortage of progressives. n/t Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2012 #17

Tacoma or Seattle chknltl Mar 2012 #23

I think Dave Reichert would win that race in a landslide. The only district Kucinich could WestSeattle2 Mar 2012 #78

Reichert has been redistricted away from Bellevue. He'll be in a strong Republican area. pnwmom Mar 2012 #96

I was born and raised in Washington. sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #41

No. And I say that as someone who would like to see that happen eridani Mar 2012 #21

It wasn't "his own district" harmonicon Mar 2012 #79

True, but subtlties like that are usually lost on the average voter eridani Mar 2012 #99

Kaptur is a progressive too and has been in Congress longer than Kucinich. Tx4obama Mar 2012 #4

Jean Quan is a progressive too. Arctic Dave Mar 2012 #5

She was great in Michael Moore's film Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2012 #6

Kaptur is pro-life, voted 30% by Naral BlueCaliDem Mar 2012 #9

Isn't Kucinich pro-life as well? sweetloukillbot Mar 2012 #14

He was...until he ran for president in 2004 Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2012 #15

He changed his position on that, but fairly recently (nt) Recursion Mar 2012 #58

Kaptur earned a 70 percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. mzmolly Mar 2012 #27

Whatever. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #19

I really don't think the "establishment" was all that concerned about getting rid of Kucinich.. WCGreen Mar 2012 #46

Mayor, re-dux? I'm not sure that is 'sexy' enough for him, though. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #51

He couldn't get elected mayor because Frank Jackson is doing a bang up job WCGreen Mar 2012 #139

Kucinich made people aware that there is a different way than the status quo. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #73

It depends upon what you mean. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #127

Since Kaptur and Dennis are pretty close in their approach to government... WCGreen Mar 2012 #140

I'm from Toledo ellie Mar 2012 #62

yes, and because of gerrymandering... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #89

Dennis Could Always Come Back To Washington state. rsmith6621 Mar 2012 #7

That would not look good. iandhr Mar 2012 #12

That's been going on since 1789 Bucky Mar 2012 #52

Thanks, anyway. WA state grows its own progressives. pnwmom Mar 2012 #112

Come back? He's not a Washingtonian. pnwmom Mar 2012 #111

Crap DesertRat Mar 2012 #8

Although I don't always agree with him, I'd preferred Dennis Kucinich to Kaptur. BlueCaliDem Mar 2012 #10

Bad choice for Democrats. Kucinich was a person of worldwide reputation; Kaptur is nobody Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #30

Apparently the voters in the district felt otherwise. onenote Mar 2012 #33

Kucinich did little for his district... In Ohio, its all about the economy...n/t IamK Mar 2012 #34

^ Low content post ... eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #39

+1 Auggie Mar 2012 #48

Kaptur brought more money back to her district than any other Ohio Democratic congressperson. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #53

That was the whole problem krawhitham Mar 2012 #37

100% correct... n/t IamK Mar 2012 #43

Nope: Kucinch dramatized Liberal issues on the world stage AND better than anyone alive Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #90

Huh? SadPanda Mar 2012 #101

I AM saying it is better to intellectually clarify and publicize an ideal ... than stuff your face Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #103

I'm not sure what district you think Dennis will soon be moving on to, but if he doesn't take care onenote Mar 2012 #105

So petty self-interest is king? Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #106

not sure who you are responding to onenote Mar 2012 #107

Glad to hear you feel DK was responsive to his district Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #109

He can continue "serving the whole world" outside of Congress. pnwmom Mar 2012 #114

Likely in fact, Kucinich will be moving on to much better things Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #121

The people of OH care about how he represents them, pnwmom Mar 2012 #113

You ARE represented, when Liberal ideas, in support of minorities, are broadcast to the whole world Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #120

Look out for the new Current spring line up next year... Fearless Mar 2012 #11

Crying. southerncrone Mar 2012 #13

A good Democrat won, a good Democrat lost... Rowdyboy Mar 2012 #18

The most essential point made this evening, IMO n/t eridani Mar 2012 #22

Yes indeed. mzmolly Mar 2012 #26

+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #54

I agree (nt) Tumbulu Mar 2012 #77

I knew you'd be gloating that the progressive lost. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #20

The gerrymandering is repugnant regardless who does it. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #25

I wasn't saying gerrymandering was ok if Dems did it. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #28

Dems revised districts to fit anti-discrim. ruling of SCOTUS; but Repubs are "gerrymandering" Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #93

Sorry but even some dems have been guilty of it and not always because cstanleytech Mar 2012 #110

OP loves to start in-house fighting--been doing it for years Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #75

and fairly conservative fascisthunter Mar 2012 #100

Nope. I am a middle of the road voter Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #125

i'm sorry but no. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #128

If a person is a moderate about many issues, they are a moderate Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #143

You call being pro Wal Mart and anti-union moderate? Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #145

I am not anti-union Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #148

No, I am but a longstanding misuse is still a misuse. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #146

If that is true, then there are no liberals or conservatives Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #147

Disagreed. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #151

sure... the middle of wall street fascisthunter Mar 2012 #133

I do not work on Wall Street Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #144

What fight? This is a settled issue. Ms. Kaptur is the nominee and every good Democrat should Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #126

Hmm... interesting. kenfrequed Mar 2012 #141

Both candidates are progressive. One was able to convince voters that she was more effective Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #124

Thing is, she actually hasn't been any more effective, that I know of. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #134

In an economically depressed area, voters often want someone who can 'bring home the bacon' Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #142

At least that's a respectfully-phrased argument. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #150

You could as easily have said, "the progressive won." pnwmom Mar 2012 #131

The less-progressive one won, though Ken Burch Mar 2012 #136

Depends on whether women's issues are important to you, I guess. pnwmom Mar 2012 #137

Kaptur never stopped being anti-choice Ken Burch Mar 2012 #138

Perhaps Kucinich should look at running for senator or maybe even governor? cstanleytech Mar 2012 #24

Dennis can't win a statewide seat in Ohio. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #32

Yup: probably become a Green. Or? Work for the UN, etc.. Or? Independent commentator Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #130

Kucinich as very little support INSIDE ohio..... n/t IamK Mar 2012 #36

Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) JennyCait Mar 2012 #29

Dennis Kucinich is now available to fill a position in President Obama�s next Administration PuffedMica Mar 2012 #31

Or Labor Secretary maybe? Myrina Mar 2012 #56

I'd like to see this but I don't see Obama picking many Progressives for his team. harun Mar 2012 #67

Obama is NOT a even a progressive, RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #74

When progressives get as much appeasement as Repubs get from Obama think Mar 2012 #84

I have noticed this too kenfrequed Mar 2012 #129

No, he's a socialist and a commie. pnwmom Mar 2012 #115

Heh . . . BlueCaliDem Mar 2012 #135

damn! CountAllVotes Mar 2012 #35

She did not just win, she stomped him winning by 16.7 points krawhitham Mar 2012 #38

It wasn't his district anymore. Kaptur had plenty of loyal followers in Toledo who voted Kolesar Mar 2012 #40

We just lost the MOST LIBERAL member of congress RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #42

I second that. Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #132

We just have to make sure Marcy beats Joe the Plummer in November liberal N proud Mar 2012 #44

He's not cut out for plumbing either... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #69

This is so disappointing. As a progressive trapped in the 8th district, sunwyn Mar 2012 #45

Chuck Todd smiled when he broke the news. Octafish Mar 2012 #47

Or perhaps he is a Marcy Kaptur fan Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #50

No is probably a "Joe the Plummer" fan INdemo Mar 2012 #55

+10 Myrina Mar 2012 #57

It would have to be an overwhelming Republican year to unseat somebody like Kaptur RZM Mar 2012 #76

I have a better chance of winning the Boston Marathon dsc Mar 2012 #68

Yeah, and we'd all have a better chance of reaching to the moon RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #70

The district is overwhelmingly Democratic Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #71

Chuck U Todd Strikes Again Joe Bacon Mar 2012 #59

So sorry to hear this. D.K. fought for all of us. Auggie Mar 2012 #49

Thanks for all your service, Dennis n/t deutsey Mar 2012 #60

Replying to bookmark a2liberal Mar 2012 #61

Yay... conservative democrats weeding out all real liberals fascisthunter Mar 2012 #63

Yep, pretty much....nt NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #66

Marcy Kaptur is not a conservative Democrat Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #72

Marcy? Produce tht note, anti-wall street Marcy? Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #87

That sichiation sucks. Dennis will dust himself off and go back at it in another manner I'm sure. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #64

I hate to see the loss of Kucinich from the congress .... jxnmsdemguy65 Mar 2012 #80

Wow davidthegnome Mar 2012 #81

+1 think Mar 2012 #85

She is a bull dog against Wall Street. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #88

Shocking, isn't it? Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #98

She doesn't need to fill his shoes; she's been filling her own for years. pnwmom Mar 2012 #116

This just made my whole fucking day! El Supremo Mar 2012 #82

Why is there only one Dennis Kucinich? Really. Think about it. RufusTFirefly Mar 2012 #83

435 and we can't keep both of them? Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #86

I hate (NOT) to rain on anyone's parade, especially a soggy one, but... saras Mar 2012 #91

Mr. Kucinich for years benefited from partisan gerrymandering Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #94

WHAT!! rbnyc Mar 2012 #92

Its a shame... BetterThanNoSN Mar 2012 #95

What keeps Dennis DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #97

Of Ohio? onenote Mar 2012 #102

I meant against the non brown one :) DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #104

New Job for Dennis Mark D. Mar 2012 #108

Obama will NEVER EVER go for it. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #122

very sad. endless october Mar 2012 #117

Thank you, Dennis. juajen Mar 2012 #118

Wishes Kucinich the best is discussed by the people jeering him. pam4water Mar 2012 #119

don't you mean disgusted? n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #123

I never liked Kucinich. I always thought he was an annoying fringe character. chrisa Mar 2012 #149