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26. In my view, some of the surveillance is illegal. The Fourth Amendment and several other amendments

Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:21 PM

Jan 2014

to our Constitution guarantee the right to privacy of Americans unless their is probable cause to violate their privacy based on a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

Some or all of the NSA spying is most likely illegal. We cannot know unless we know just what they are doing.

A government in the US that hides illegal activity, activity that violates US laws or the US Constitution cannot claim the right to hide their illegal activity by labeling it as a "secret."

In this video, former NSA employees (high-level employees for the most part) explain that it is illegal for the government to hide its own illegal conduct by labeling it as a secret.

http://new.livestream.com/accuracy/nsa-rebuttal/videos/39824993

The video is long but full of interesting information.

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Julie Bishop lashes Snowden on US visit [View all] struggle4progress Jan 2014 OP

Snowden will be looking over his shoulder for life, he has managed to piss off Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #1

She's funny, accusing Snowden of "treachery".... Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #2

Perfect! DJ13 Jan 2014 #4

What is wrong with you people? Demenace Jan 2014 #15

Exactly. +100 nt okaawhatever Jan 2014 #38

You're new here. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #65

I didn't notice rude. I noticed right. Heaven forfend the sanctimonious be contradicted. aquart Jan 2014 #76

Being rude here time after time will probably get your opinion deleted warrant46 Jan 2014 #70

I think Bishop protests too much. fasttense Jan 2014 #3

Since when does Snowden owe any loyalty to Australia? He witnessed treachery and 1monster Jan 2014 #5

It is called "projection" Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #6

lol ctsnowman Jan 2014 #7

Perhaps you admire the famous philosophy of Henry Stimson, that struggle4progress Jan 2014 #10

The NSA apologists on DU repeat over and over that "they all do it" meaning the surveillance. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #14

"The NSA is in my opinion violating .. our guaranteed rights," you say, in a thread struggle4progress Jan 2014 #16

This is now what has been labeled as intelligent opinion around here... Demenace Jan 2014 #19

Do you think that the Indonesian government did not already know that it was under surveillance? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #28

For your education, it is called ways and methods.... Demenace Jan 2014 #31

What has your rights in America, got to do with what Australia is doing with another country? Demenace Jan 2014 #17

In my view, some of the surveillance is illegal. The Fourth Amendment and several other amendments JDPriestly Jan 2014 #26

Dude, this story is about Australia which is not America... Demenace Jan 2014 #33

So. Snowden owed no duty to protect the secrets of Australia. Why the fuss? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #34

Again, you miss the point of the Australian reaction... Demenace Jan 2014 #40

May I respond? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #54

Outstanding post. Octafish Jan 2014 #24

It is this self affirming attitude among Republicans that has bought them the label... Demenace Jan 2014 #27

You have to ask? Octafish Jan 2014 #55

I agree but its a waste of time to debate with the self annointed warrant46 Jan 2014 #71

The word is 'inured'. Sincerely, some dumbass progressive. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #63

Spying on a country you are at war with Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #25

So Israel spying on America is not in the national interest of the Israelis? Demenace Jan 2014 #29

Can you try and be a little less Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #36

Telling you, you know nothing of what you speak about is not snarky... Demenace Jan 2014 #42

Really? Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #50

You aren't actually reading the history carefully IMO: continued cracking of Japanese naval codes struggle4progress Jan 2014 #37

Again, Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #45

Dude, whose book of morality are you asking us to live up to? Demenace Jan 2014 #48

Not interested in engaging your rude discourse Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #52

Bishop is an idiot.... blackspade Jan 2014 #8

I thought his entire motive was to expose US spying on Americans??? Guess he lied!! George II Jan 2014 #9

Does any of those like you who hates Snowdon ever stop LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #12

Maybe if he came out ONCE and said EVERYTHING that he thinks, and tell us EVERYTHING... George II Jan 2014 #18

Hard to argue with confusion LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #56

Reread what I said, I said that he WON'T tell us everything he knows all at once because... George II Jan 2014 #59

aaaaaaaaaand cue the syntax error police LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #73

It's not a syntax issue, it's the fact that you totally turned what I said around. George II Jan 2014 #74

You tell me what gives Snowden the right endanger a foreign nation... Demenace Jan 2014 #20

Because we live in a global villiage - everything is connected LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #57

Snowden obtained his documents prior to June 2013, but the Australian federal elections struggle4progress Jan 2014 #23

What difference does that make? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #58

It appears Snowden has pronounced himself King of the World! Whisp Jan 2014 #53

So the Australian government says human freedom needs protecting from the Indonesian president? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #11

You must be naive to think governments should trust one another... Demenace Jan 2014 #21

She didn't say "we all do it", or "we don't trust one another"; she said: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #22

And in your simple nature, you believe the Australian government will personally fax you a reason.. Demenace Jan 2014 #30

No, it's the fault of their idiotic foreign minister, who doesn't understand what treachery is muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #43

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I can't see how that particular approach gets you very far: Indonesia is, to my view, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #32

These fake intellectuals would want you to think otherwise... Demenace Jan 2014 #35

You say that Snowden is entitled to advocate against it muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #39

Dude, this information is not his to reveal... Demenace Jan 2014 #44

Dear god, you sound eager for someone to assassinate Snowden muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #47

I guess, I just woke you up to the league your buddy is playing in.. Demenace Jan 2014 #49

The conversation might be more interesting and more productive, were you able to refrain struggle4progress Jan 2014 #51

Agreed. And Snowden took 1.7 million documents. How many of those had to do with okaawhatever Jan 2014 #62

Australia one of the WASPY "Five Eyes" /nt Ash_F Jan 2014 #13

First the Israelis, now Julie Bishop's under attack over faked passport scandal muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #41

I missed the part where she next, in a fit of pique, collected a million or so documents struggle4progress Jan 2014 #64

If only she had, she'd not be a ridiculous Orwellian hypocrite now, would she? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #66

Or maybe, like many politicians, she's often just something of a blowhard and a hack, and struggle4progress Jan 2014 #67

Unfortunately, she may have a point, it seems. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #60

Snowden seems to think only certain countries like China, Russia should be able to spy JI7 Jan 2014 #61

Lashings and Julie Bishop go together...... Theyletmeeatcake2 Jan 2014 #68

Well, it looks like Snowdens revelation about Australias snooping has gotten some results. lumpy Jan 2014 #72

What does that mean? Theyletmeeatcake2 Jan 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Theyletmeeatcake2 Jan 2014 #69