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Liberal_Stalwart71

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28. Show me the Democratic Party platform. Then show me exactly where there are center right
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jan 2014

policy priorities.

Yes, there are some Democrats pushing for the TPP, which I am vehemently opposed to. Including our president who is going out of his way to support it, and I'm not sure why. But MOST--yes, MOST--Democrats are fighting back against it. Indeed, there are many Republicans always fighting against it simply because it's Obama, but still. Now the TPP probably will fail because of it.

So you and some other person said it's 95%? Why are you here?

Yes, there are some Blue Dog and Corporate/DLC Democrats who are going against what most Americans want. Sure, there are. But the largest caucus in the Democratic Party is the Progressive Caucus. If it can't fight back against the corporatists in the party, then who's fault is that?

No one's throwing away elections. In 2010, it was Independents (who really are pseudo-Republicans) that stayed home. Whiny liberals who didn't get 100% pure liberal policies WHEN they wanted it stomped their feet, took their ball and went home and didn't vote. Now we have all these states dominated by Republicans and still Blue Dog and Corporatist Democrats in the House and Senate. And you wonder why we still don't have more progressive policy outcomes? Really? Your logic makes no sense. I've been up and down this road on this issue:

We elect Democrats. Democratic Party has a huge tent which allows all ideological persuasions to participate.
When we don't get 100% of what we want when we want it, we get angry and blame Democrats INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE REPUBLICANS AND THOSE BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS WHO ARE AT FAULT. Rather than fight to defeat the Republicans and Blue Dogs in our districts, we continue to blame the Democratic Party--as a whole--and stay home and don't vote, thus allowing MORE Republicans to take control over local, state, the courts, school districts, and federal government. These are facts! Not hyperbole.
Meanwhile, the Republicans get their people out to the polls and get into power.
Then, we ILLOGICALLY wonder why we still don't have progressive policy outcomes!!

What? Does that make any fucking sense at all? It's simple: You stay home mad because you didn't get your way when you wanted it. Republicans get back in. You wonder why the Democrats who are left can't get anything done. DUH!! What did you expect? Then you get mad again and threaten to stay home the following election rather than work to get MORE progressive Democrats elected and get rid of these Blue Dog, Corporatists Democrats!

I don't get the logic. I never will.

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What do we do when both parties are to the right of America? Ash_F Jan 2014 #1
Neither party. The owners of those "two" parties won't allow it. villager Jan 2014 #2
President Obama said it himself yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #3
And he plans to do just that. Even Paul Krugman, who hasn't always been an Obama fan, is Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #10
Or, what do we do when Americans are so grossly misinformed that they blame the president Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #9
The so-called "Democrats" don't even put up the semblance of a fight anymore. It's just roll over & blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #17
All Democrats? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #18
ok... sendero Jan 2014 #27
It's called Democraticunderground, Not center-right business establishment underground. Ash_F Jan 2014 #25
Show me the Democratic Party platform. Then show me exactly where there are center right Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #28
I didn't stay home. Ash_F Jan 2014 #30
I didn't say YOU stayed home. I didn't YOU said 95%. I pointed to someone who responded to Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #31
"We can't push them further to the left" Ash_F Jan 2014 #33
Look eighty percent of what any President accomplishes is done through truedelphi Jan 2014 #26
the two parties are free to do what they like on gays, god, and anything else that doesn't yurbud Jan 2014 #29
Honestly, if we want to know who is to blame I look at the GOP and especially the GOP House LynneSin Jan 2014 #4
Damned straight..... President does not equal King groundloop Jan 2014 #8
From Birther to Benghazi grilled onions Jan 2014 #11
It's not just on the political right. I wish it were. He was received hell from the political left Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #13
if obama were a republican, they'd be saying that the dow has more than doubled unblock Jan 2014 #5
Usually the stock market climbs when a Democrat is President but doesn't do as well when ... spin Jan 2014 #21
yes, that's been true for a long time and has only gotten more so since clinton. unblock Jan 2014 #22
Almost all political conflict... between the Sane Billionaires and the Insane Billionaires. immoderate Jan 2014 #6
The problem for him is, it's mostly chickens from the last decade, and more, coming TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #7
The Obamacare rollout was not "brought on himself". It was sabotaged from the very beginning. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #12
Well, I have to disagree about the Obamacare intro, because that was TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #14
She wasn't fired because I believe that they all knew how they were being set up from the beginning. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #15
I hear what you're saying about low-quality/lowest-bidder contractors, TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #19
I hear you, but I still think he did right by keeping the team. They cleaned up the mess and now Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #20
Honestly, in hindsight, the healthcare.gov problems are pretty irrelelvant and not that big of deal. phleshdef Jan 2014 #23
Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make in my posts. Read my responses below. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #24
The 1% is doing quite well, thank you very much. Everyone else, well ... blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #16
President Obama has been a very good CEO-like decision maker. 1000words Jan 2014 #32
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