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Titonwan

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24. If you don't see the danger in this...

Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:43 PM

Jan 2014

... well, yer not lookin' enough. Yeah, I get it- some of you blue cheerleaders will never see a mishap from someone you voted for. I'm very sorry for your losses.
Now, I'm not one to stay in one area very much being a ranger type and all but I see an alliance with left libertarians (yes, gwenyth, there be such) and liberals on these matters. Let's not get into the darwinism economics for now- we'll just get em drunk and call the cops.
If our 'leaders' don't get in front of this- vastly reducing NSA* power- then popular consensus says they're not gonna win.
Ironic, isn't it? A policy put in place by a repug- enforced by a democrat- will now be chastised for secrecy. Oh what comedy ensues.

61% of this country wants to fry Edward Snowden for opening their eyes. And baby Jeebus rode on a Dinosauras Rex post facto like yesterday. Maybe two weeks, total.

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RNC condemns NSA spying in huge turnaround [View all] Indi Guy Jan 2014 OP

and awaaaaaaay we go! reddread Jan 2014 #1

strategic move by GOP to box Democrats in on the issue!! grasswire Jan 2014 #4

Most ordinary people are not terribly ginned up about it the way bloggers are. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #9

The revelations are not over yet. We've heard that from multiple sources. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #67

They don't mean it, really but they think it will get them some votes from the youngters. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #40

It's bad as long as a Democrat is doing it. alarimer Jan 2014 #2

shouldnt be long given all the low hanging fruit reddread Jan 2014 #5

It's bad regardless of who is doing it. Not a party issue but a freedom issue on point Jan 2014 #27

But when they get the chance to do it again, it will be okay... Demenace Jan 2014 #52

It's not about "siding" with anyone. That is a really stupid way of looking at this issue. Maedhros Jan 2014 #62

No, it's not. Political alignments have real world consequences. The RNC is trying to play you here stevenleser Jan 2014 #74

You missed the point of my post. Maedhros Jan 2014 #76

And they'd be blaming Obama bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #3

And they'll demand the investigation go back to Jan 20, 2009. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #6

+1. IOKIYAR blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #15

LOL. The people who built the building now condemn it, because TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #7

Excellent observations of hypocrisy taken to a fine art. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #14

They wouldn't be able to do so if the folks WE voted for hadn't fucked up so badly FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #35

I don't think Obama "fucked up badly". The NSA was operating like TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #38

He did nothing to reign them in FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #41

"Rein". He's tinkering with it. He's probably afraid to overhaul it significantly, and then TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #42

He is probably also afraid of being JFKed, if he tries too hard to do much of anything to fix it. RC Jan 2014 #53

My, my Titonwan Jan 2014 #78

Obama should evolve, agree, and make them vote on dismantling the surveillance state alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #8

And if there's a terra attack, I guess the Repubs own it. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #11

Careful: if he took such a stand, they'd come down on him like a loada bricks struggle4progress Jan 2014 #22

That idea has allot of merit. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #43

Benghazi! SoapBox Jan 2014 #10

They must have found out that Dems have the NSA snooping on them. L0oniX Jan 2014 #12

No, the NSA has been snooping on dems and repubs BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #17

Election year issue. The GOP loves the NSA. Don't let their phony new-found bluster fool you. They'r blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #13

Apparently RW terrorists are being spied on too. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #16

More proof that the GOP will deny national security just to attack President Obama. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #18

More proof you have no idea what tactics are being used. Titonwan Jan 2014 #33

Tactics? You talk of tactics while you play into the RNC's hands here? stevenleser Jan 2014 #75

"In a jarring break" iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #19

NOOOO! how could they betray the Clapper? Ash_F Jan 2014 #20

Golly. I had thunked them wuz the dudes and dames what first started humongous metadata collectin struggle4progress Jan 2014 #21

I'm so old Fumesucker Jan 2014 #23

It seems like a lot of folks Titonwan Jan 2014 #29

No doubt! blackspade Jan 2014 #49

If you don't see the danger in this... Titonwan Jan 2014 #24

Sure, let's all spend our energy on phantom fears instead of real dangers. randome Jan 2014 #26

If the world wouldn't be any different if it was stopped then why not stop it? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #30

It would make no difference to me. randome Jan 2014 #46

I don't trust those 22 NSA employees, since they will be the James Clappers of the organization. Maedhros Jan 2014 #63

You know how the world would be different if we stopped the metadata collection and storage today? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #34

....not to mention saving trillions of dollars! grasswire Jan 2014 #36

As far as the metadata goes, it likely takes next to nothing to transmit and store the data. randome Jan 2014 #45

And how many billions of dollars did it take to build those storage facilities for that meta data? RC Jan 2014 #55

The storage facility is not for telephone metadata. randome Jan 2014 #60

Brayhahahahaahah.... RC Jan 2014 #61

what is the cost (including debt service and staffing)... grasswire Jan 2014 #56

Hell if I know. But the metadata is routinely destroyed every few years. randome Jan 2014 #59

It's astounding to me.. sendero Jan 2014 #48

And this is the reason to get out in front. Titonwan Jan 2014 #28

Digby's view Titonwan Jan 2014 #31

excellent grasswire Jan 2014 #37

I want to see the Democratic Party step up to the plate. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #32

This is a major signal that the libertarian Republicans have taken the party Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #39

What definition of "Libertarian" are you using? Maedhros Jan 2014 #64

In am referring to the libertarians with all the money and power. Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #65

Snowden being a "tool" or not is irrelevant. Maedhros Jan 2014 #69

The unintended irony of your "I think you're on the wrong site." with respect to the OP is delicious stevenleser Jan 2014 #73

You consistently (deliberately?) misrepresent the statements of those to whom you respond. Maedhros Jan 2014 #77

If you don't want to defend words, particularly attacks, don't utter them. Simple, right? nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #81

My "attack" amounted to this: Maedhros Jan 2014 #83

The anti-war is myth, unless you think our libertarian oil-igarch's are just Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #87

None of what you describe applies at all to Glenn Greenwald or Laura Poitras, Maedhros Jan 2014 #91

Here is more of the transistion of Rebublican from Heritage style conservatism to Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #88

They could care less about privacy rights. DCBob Jan 2014 #44

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ treestar Jan 2014 #51

Washington's Blog's take on this... Titonwan Jan 2014 #47

We better get ahead of this before the Repugs gain from it. Titonwan Jan 2014 #50

They have no interest in stopping the NSA JoePhilly Jan 2014 #54

They don't have to they just have to pretend to and be opposed in those pretensions by who they run TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #58

Once again this is why you don't defend the shitty policy of your opponents. JoeyT Jan 2014 #57

I know. Titonwan Jan 2014 #79

Does Anybody Doubt that if Turtlehead Wolf Frankula Jan 2014 #66

LMAO, the party that brought us warrantless wiretapping now claiming righteous indignation!!!!!! stevenleser Jan 2014 #68

The transparent hypocrisy is actually quite remarkable. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #70

Well, there appears to be a lot of what you described as "willfully blind" participating in this OP stevenleser Jan 2014 #72

lol. the real response is the DNC has a SERIOUS PROBLEM on their hands reddread Jan 2014 #82

Can you cite some specific examples of posters in this thread Maedhros Jan 2014 #84

i saw something even better reddread Jan 2014 #86

Translation- Obamacare is doing well and they know it n/t underpants Jan 2014 #71

Interesting observation. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #80

they are grasping at straws. A little late to this party. olddad56 Jan 2014 #85

Convenient time for the RNC to jump on the bandwagon, innit? Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #89

The republicans of the fifties would have no trouble with this. bemildred Jan 2014 #90