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billh58

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14. But aren't you

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 01:31 PM

Jan 2014

comforted by the fact that the overall homicide rate in the USA is going down? Last year we only experienced 11,078 gun homicides out of a total of 16,259 homicides in this country. The logic goes something like: if they didn't have a gun, they would just use a knife, or a fork, or a swimming pool, or an automobile, or their bare hands.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

According to the Second Amendment absolutists, that's just a drop in the proverbial bucket, and the price we must pay for Liberty, Freedom, and My Rights. The fact that the USA has 20 times more gun-related killings than our closest competitor is in line with the goals of ALEC and the Koch Brothers (NRA puppeteers) to make the USA number one in all things.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/

Question: Who are the real "unstable individuals?" The ones with the guns, or the ones who irresponsibly enabled their acquisition of a gun?

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BREAKING: 3 killed at Maryland mall [View all] charlie and algernon Jan 2014 OP

Oh cripes, another one LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #1

Maryland? yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #5

I get it, but this is not the time. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #6

Sorry yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #8

Why so many shootings - over 20 shot in Baltimore City already now Columbia Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #24

I have too yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #43

It's a nation of 300 million people CFLDem Jan 2014 #125

This is not the time to be pissed that people disobey the law? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #69

It is not about people or laws, it all about gunz. hack89 Jan 2014 #73

Well, I think it is the time to be pissed no matter what. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #76

Excellent time to be pissed. Nt hack89 Jan 2014 #81

It's time to get acclimated to the new normal. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #115

When is the time? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #91

Crazy people aren't stopped by signs, unfortunately LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #7

Crazy people will not be stopped by metal detectors. former9thward Jan 2014 #48

Hope So otohara Jan 2014 #101

I think they break the laws to promote gun ownership personally. glinda Jan 2014 #11

I totally agree�the thrill isn't just in killing, it is in hopes of getting their way. Tikki Jan 2014 #19

Same reason they are killing wolves, etc.... glinda Jan 2014 #146

A sign isn't going to Keefer Jan 2014 #13

What the fuck are you on DU for? dbackjon Jan 2014 #45

Why should "the little people" obey the law? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #62

Well said! Many horrific travesties go on each day by the monied and RKP5637 Jan 2014 #64

And by playing accoring to the rules mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #82

It's immoral to follow the law? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #72

By following the law mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #80

You are 100% wrong. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #86

The TPP has everything to do with this post mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #104

I as an individual person am not allowing any of this to keep happening. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #112

I will NOT stop bringing the TPP into this mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #117

The TPP won't change the fact OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #120

Let me take each of these in turn... mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #126

I will. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #135

"To quote you" mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #139

Gun Free Zones, and their ilk, ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #78

i don't understand shireen Jan 2014 #138

Sadly, shotguns are much more easily concealed than most people realize onenote Jan 2014 #156

I doubt somebody who isn't concerned about the laws regarding murder magical thyme Jan 2014 #140

From WRC-NBC4 DC LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #2

I'm starting to wonder if this isn't copy cat actions based on media attention. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #3

Maybe. The cynic in me sees these as possible planned diversions to valerief Jan 2014 #10

I just hate how the media focuses on the killer. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #15

I quite agree. Ours is a celebrity culture, and Anything qualifies. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #54

So you're blaming President Obama...classy brooklynite Jan 2014 #33

Alex Jones bullshit. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #53

"Possible planned diversions to keep the other stuff out of the headlines"? red dog 1 Jan 2014 #58

That's "aliens are in charge of the government" crazy you're peddling there muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #94

Why would they? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #110

It certainly 2naSalit Jan 2014 #4

But aren't you billh58 Jan 2014 #14

Actually 2naSalit Jan 2014 #35

I should have billh58 Jan 2014 #41

CNN now saying 3 are dead charlie and algernon Jan 2014 #9

Msnbc says 3 dead. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #12

Hey America, HAD ENOUGH YET????? calimary Jan 2014 #16

"The suspect was found dead near a gun an ammunition, police said." LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #17

Damn, this is getting to be a daily event. Yet another WTF. I often wonder if this RKP5637 Jan 2014 #18

No place is safe spinbaby Jan 2014 #55

Just another day in America. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #20

the practical question that remains unanswered is, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #21

I think we need to assume the open carry activist is a crazed gunman Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #23

Excellent comment. There is no way to tell. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #29

Awful beyond words ...AGAIN. This one hits home too abq e streeter Jan 2014 #22

In order to guarantee a well-regulated militia and countless homicidal maniacs? Divernan Jan 2014 #25

Maybe it needs to be rewritten to encompass the homicidal maniacs Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #47

The expected NRA response... durablend Jan 2014 #26

Maryland has very strict gun laws bluestateguy Jan 2014 #27

LOL. tabasco Jan 2014 #31

This is true, some states may have some common sense regulation but no state is very restrictive Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #37

And while MD has very strict laws bluestateguy Jan 2014 #122

It is true that VA and WV have more lenient laws but it is easy to legally get guns in all 50 states Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #124

I hope no Holy Guns were hurt jpak Jan 2014 #28

The well-regulated militia strikes again! tabasco Jan 2014 #30

If this keeps up LiberalElite Jan 2014 #32

that would make barbtries Jan 2014 #97

We must start a national discourse godevil10 Jan 2014 #34

Other countries seem to be able to deal with guns the USA cannot Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #40

The right-wing NRA billh58 Jan 2014 #46

Well stated! red dog 1 Jan 2014 #65

I'm sorry.. cilla4progress Jan 2014 #66

The right wing terrorist organization mus tbe stopped Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #137

Bullshit. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #145

We cannot just put guns on the table. godevil10 Jan 2014 #92

While we can talk about everything, we can not pretend that all factors are equal Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #42

Yes and behind those guns that murder in this fashion is godevil10 Jan 2014 #95

That violent person killed because they got their hands on a gun Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #102

That violent person killed because godevil10 Jan 2014 #105

Okay, let's assume that billh58 Jan 2014 #109

Bill, I for one would be willing to discuss any and all possible remedies. godevil10 Jan 2014 #148

You are, of course, correct billh58 Jan 2014 #152

Yes. We must obfuscate the gun violence issue Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #51

Look, I don't believe for one minute godevil10 Jan 2014 #98

Okay. Obfuscation. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #100

Yes by all means let's not spend any godevil10 Jan 2014 #106

MSNBC: One dead person found near gun, ammunition brooklynite Jan 2014 #36

The strict gun law in Maryland means nothing when you have surrounding states that Lint Head Jan 2014 #38

Well said n/t brentspeak Jan 2014 #49

shooter is probably a teabagger AngryAmish Jan 2014 #39

best post ever sweetapogee Jan 2014 #153

Do you still think that? onenote Jan 2014 #154

Another day, another mass killing in America.. workinclasszero Jan 2014 #44

My sister's FB post: HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #50

This country is descending into madness. yuiyoshida Jan 2014 #77

This is what we have accepted. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #52

Yup gotta water that liberty tree workinclasszero Jan 2014 #150

But there hasn't been a single gun shooting at a school today (yet). BlueStreak Jan 2014 #56

Cue Gundamenralists saying it wasn't the gun in 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . . Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #57

Gun culture taking a break from shooting up schools. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #59

well it is the weekend after all pothos Jan 2014 #61

Time for Retail and mall lobby to battle the NRA. ErikJ Jan 2014 #60

Excellent point. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #75

The only firearms Walmart and K-Mart sell are rifles, sked14 Jan 2014 #83

So? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #89

We don't have a mall in this city that is anchored by a Walmart. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #87

Your city isn't "every city" OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #93

Let me rephrase it (my post makes quite a bit of sense). ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #96

Yes, you know all about malls. Not. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #103

Never said I did. I stick by my original statement. It's an oddity, not a regular thing. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #107

You keep saying you're going to end the conversation, then you keep responding. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #111

We have a WalMart smack dab in the middle of the local mall.(suburban Pittsburgh) Divernan Jan 2014 #119

sounds like *another* public suicide Sunlei Jan 2014 #63

If only everyone was packing these things wouldn't happen doc03 Jan 2014 #67

Look folks! Wayne LaPierre on DU! n/t durablend Jan 2014 #90

K&R...Thanks for posting. red dog 1 Jan 2014 #68

UPDATE: 4 others injured including one shot in foot NBC4 DC LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #70

Too close to home. Husband called at 11:50am to tell me he was fine (at work at mall complex) Neurotica Jan 2014 #71

Appears the weapon was a shotgun hack89 Jan 2014 #74

I have a friend who lives one mile from there. Lasher Jan 2014 #79

Good Lord shenmue Jan 2014 #84

Domestic dispute seveneyes Jan 2014 #85

Mass shootings - as American as apple pie! Dash87 Jan 2014 #88

Good grief Aerows Jan 2014 #99

No, actually you do not... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #128

Uh, sure Aerows Jan 2014 #133

It really does not matter where you or I fall on the issue... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #142

The answer is more guns. Everyone should carry a gun. Beacool Jan 2014 #108

Might help with the unemployment problem. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #113

Child labor? Beacool Jan 2014 #123

Try reading my post again. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #129

I know what you meant. Beacool Jan 2014 #131

OK, good! OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #136

We are on the same page. Beacool Jan 2014 #143

Another UPDATE: 2 victims worked in the mall LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #114

Sounds like a jealous lover targeted his ex and new lover seveneyes Jan 2014 #116

It was a domestic situation and the guy who was jilted got even warrant46 Jan 2014 #130

Edited. Apparently there's an update. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #132

Brianna Benlolo, 21, of College Park, Md warrant46 Jan 2014 #134

Do you have a link to back that up? onenote Jan 2014 #155

Instead of fire drills, employers/schools can have effing-crazy-gun-nut drills. Divernan Jan 2014 #118

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #121

har har so funny Skittles Jan 2014 #141

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #144

I was there just a couple of weeks ago. DCBob Jan 2014 #127

You know, crim son Jan 2014 #147

well you are wrong Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #151

Some final thoughs to go along with my other comments on this. godevil10 Jan 2014 #149