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OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
135. I will.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jan 2014

To quote you:

Then you're just one more person I have to fight in order to change said unfair system.


To quote what I had said in the prior post (112):

I as an individual person am not allowing any of this to keep happening.

I am fighting it everyday. All day long.


So I said I am fighting the system and you said you are fighting me. Duh!

Also, you did not specify which laws you were advocating breaking. It pretty much seemed like all of them so it was totally appropriate for "my ass" to speculate on which ones you were referring to. To quote you:

Why should "the little people" obey the law?

The people with power break the laws all the time. Torture is the first example to come to mind, followed by lying to Congress to start the Iraq war. Then there's the financial industry which lied to lots of people, mostly during the housing boom. I work in the tech industry in SI valley, and I used to work for one of the companies that conspired to keep wages low, and although I applaud the people who are bringing this to light, I wonder whether they'll have trouble getting jobs later, and I wonder whether the punishment for this conspiracy will just be a slap on the wrist, if even that.

Then there's the spying by the NSA. Even here I see people use the justification that it's useful. Gah!

Given all this, why should people care about the laws? Oh gee whiz, they're not supposed to speed? They're not supposed to bring a gun here?


So basically, if you weren't advocating breaking all the laws, which ones were you advocating breaking? Just those on torture and lying to Congress and spying and conspiracy and fraud? And frankly above (in the post I am currently responding to), you even say "Arguably people should rob banks." Robbery is worse than theft (robbery is considered a crime of violence; theft is not). And yet you're all up in arms because I listed that as a law you were appearing to advocate breaking? I'm not falling for your outrage.

Also, just to be clear, I never argued that "one should limit themselves only to legal means in order to fight the system." My point is and was that your comment that "Why should "the little people" obey the law?" at all was asinine. Randomly breaking the law doesn't make the system better. It makes life worse for everyone. And I stand by my judgment that saying "the little people shouldn't obey the law" is advocating a morally loathsome position.

Now, if people want to occupy a certain space or get arrested for an unpermitted protest or being part of a wildcat strike or secondary boycott, then they should do so, by all means. But these are not the acts of people who ask themselves "why should the little people obey the law." They are deliberate choices to protest and fight the system. One does not equal the other.

Only in this most recent post do you even pretend that your first post had any relation to fighting the system or engaging in any kind of organized, thoughtful, collective action.

In any case, enjoy breaking whichever random laws you choose to break. And as you do so, just remember that you will be modeling disrespect for the rule of law you now seem to care about. I'll keep doing what I am doing as I would rather work to change unjust laws than take steps to make society even more lawless. I don't enjoy living in a lawless world.

It was extremely unpleasant having this interaction with you. Bye!

BREAKING: 3 killed at Maryland mall [View all] charlie and algernon Jan 2014 OP
Oh cripes, another one LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #1
Maryland? yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #5
I get it, but this is not the time. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #6
Sorry yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #8
Why so many shootings - over 20 shot in Baltimore City already now Columbia Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #24
I have too yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #43
It's a nation of 300 million people CFLDem Jan 2014 #125
This is not the time to be pissed that people disobey the law? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #69
It is not about people or laws, it all about gunz. hack89 Jan 2014 #73
Well, I think it is the time to be pissed no matter what. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #76
Excellent time to be pissed. Nt hack89 Jan 2014 #81
It's time to get acclimated to the new normal. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #115
When is the time? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #91
Crazy people aren't stopped by signs, unfortunately LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #7
Crazy people will not be stopped by metal detectors. former9thward Jan 2014 #48
Hope So otohara Jan 2014 #101
I think they break the laws to promote gun ownership personally. glinda Jan 2014 #11
I totally agree…the thrill isn't just in killing, it is in hopes of getting their way. Tikki Jan 2014 #19
Same reason they are killing wolves, etc.... glinda Jan 2014 #146
A sign isn't going to Keefer Jan 2014 #13
What the fuck are you on DU for? dbackjon Jan 2014 #45
Why should "the little people" obey the law? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #62
Well said! Many horrific travesties go on each day by the monied and RKP5637 Jan 2014 #64
And by playing accoring to the rules mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #82
It's immoral to follow the law? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #72
By following the law mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #80
You are 100% wrong. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #86
The TPP has everything to do with this post mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #104
I as an individual person am not allowing any of this to keep happening. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #112
I will NOT stop bringing the TPP into this mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #117
The TPP won't change the fact OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #120
Let me take each of these in turn... mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #126
I will. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #135
"To quote you" mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #139
Gun Free Zones, and their ilk, ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #78
i don't understand shireen Jan 2014 #138
Sadly, shotguns are much more easily concealed than most people realize onenote Jan 2014 #156
I doubt somebody who isn't concerned about the laws regarding murder magical thyme Jan 2014 #140
From WRC-NBC4 DC LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #2
I'm starting to wonder if this isn't copy cat actions based on media attention. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #3
Maybe. The cynic in me sees these as possible planned diversions to valerief Jan 2014 #10
I just hate how the media focuses on the killer. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #15
I quite agree. Ours is a celebrity culture, and Anything qualifies. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #54
So you're blaming President Obama...classy brooklynite Jan 2014 #33
Alex Jones bullshit. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #53
"Possible planned diversions to keep the other stuff out of the headlines"? red dog 1 Jan 2014 #58
That's "aliens are in charge of the government" crazy you're peddling there muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #94
Why would they? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #110
It certainly 2naSalit Jan 2014 #4
But aren't you billh58 Jan 2014 #14
Actually 2naSalit Jan 2014 #35
I should have billh58 Jan 2014 #41
CNN now saying 3 are dead charlie and algernon Jan 2014 #9
Msnbc says 3 dead. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #12
Hey America, HAD ENOUGH YET????? calimary Jan 2014 #16
"The suspect was found dead near a gun an ammunition, police said." LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #17
Damn, this is getting to be a daily event. Yet another WTF. I often wonder if this RKP5637 Jan 2014 #18
No place is safe spinbaby Jan 2014 #55
Just another day in America. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #20
the practical question that remains unanswered is, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #21
I think we need to assume the open carry activist is a crazed gunman Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #23
Excellent comment. There is no way to tell. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #29
Awful beyond words ...AGAIN. This one hits home too abq e streeter Jan 2014 #22
In order to guarantee a well-regulated militia and countless homicidal maniacs? Divernan Jan 2014 #25
Maybe it needs to be rewritten to encompass the homicidal maniacs Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #47
The expected NRA response... durablend Jan 2014 #26
Maryland has very strict gun laws bluestateguy Jan 2014 #27
LOL. tabasco Jan 2014 #31
This is true, some states may have some common sense regulation but no state is very restrictive Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #37
And while MD has very strict laws bluestateguy Jan 2014 #122
It is true that VA and WV have more lenient laws but it is easy to legally get guns in all 50 states Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #124
I hope no Holy Guns were hurt jpak Jan 2014 #28
The well-regulated militia strikes again! tabasco Jan 2014 #30
If this keeps up LiberalElite Jan 2014 #32
that would make barbtries Jan 2014 #97
We must start a national discourse godevil10 Jan 2014 #34
Other countries seem to be able to deal with guns the USA cannot Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #40
The right-wing NRA billh58 Jan 2014 #46
Well stated! red dog 1 Jan 2014 #65
I'm sorry.. cilla4progress Jan 2014 #66
The right wing terrorist organization mus tbe stopped Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #137
Bullshit. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #145
We cannot just put guns on the table. godevil10 Jan 2014 #92
While we can talk about everything, we can not pretend that all factors are equal Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #42
Yes and behind those guns that murder in this fashion is godevil10 Jan 2014 #95
That violent person killed because they got their hands on a gun Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #102
That violent person killed because godevil10 Jan 2014 #105
Okay, let's assume that billh58 Jan 2014 #109
Bill, I for one would be willing to discuss any and all possible remedies. godevil10 Jan 2014 #148
You are, of course, correct billh58 Jan 2014 #152
Yes. We must obfuscate the gun violence issue Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #51
Look, I don't believe for one minute godevil10 Jan 2014 #98
Okay. Obfuscation. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #100
Yes by all means let's not spend any godevil10 Jan 2014 #106
MSNBC: One dead person found near gun, ammunition brooklynite Jan 2014 #36
The strict gun law in Maryland means nothing when you have surrounding states that Lint Head Jan 2014 #38
Well said n/t brentspeak Jan 2014 #49
shooter is probably a teabagger AngryAmish Jan 2014 #39
best post ever sweetapogee Jan 2014 #153
Do you still think that? onenote Jan 2014 #154
Another day, another mass killing in America.. workinclasszero Jan 2014 #44
My sister's FB post: HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #50
This country is descending into madness. yuiyoshida Jan 2014 #77
This is what we have accepted. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #52
Yup gotta water that liberty tree workinclasszero Jan 2014 #150
But there hasn't been a single gun shooting at a school today (yet). BlueStreak Jan 2014 #56
Cue Gundamenralists saying it wasn't the gun in 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . . Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #57
Gun culture taking a break from shooting up schools. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #59
well it is the weekend after all pothos Jan 2014 #61
Time for Retail and mall lobby to battle the NRA. ErikJ Jan 2014 #60
Excellent point. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #75
The only firearms Walmart and K-Mart sell are rifles, sked14 Jan 2014 #83
So? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #89
We don't have a mall in this city that is anchored by a Walmart. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #87
Your city isn't "every city" OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #93
Let me rephrase it (my post makes quite a bit of sense). ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #96
Yes, you know all about malls. Not. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #103
Never said I did. I stick by my original statement. It's an oddity, not a regular thing. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #107
You keep saying you're going to end the conversation, then you keep responding. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #111
We have a WalMart smack dab in the middle of the local mall.(suburban Pittsburgh) Divernan Jan 2014 #119
sounds like *another* public suicide Sunlei Jan 2014 #63
If only everyone was packing these things wouldn't happen doc03 Jan 2014 #67
Look folks! Wayne LaPierre on DU! n/t durablend Jan 2014 #90
K&R...Thanks for posting. red dog 1 Jan 2014 #68
UPDATE: 4 others injured including one shot in foot NBC4 DC LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #70
Too close to home. Husband called at 11:50am to tell me he was fine (at work at mall complex) Neurotica Jan 2014 #71
Appears the weapon was a shotgun hack89 Jan 2014 #74
I have a friend who lives one mile from there. Lasher Jan 2014 #79
Good Lord shenmue Jan 2014 #84
Domestic dispute seveneyes Jan 2014 #85
Mass shootings - as American as apple pie! Dash87 Jan 2014 #88
Good grief Aerows Jan 2014 #99
No, actually you do not... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #128
Uh, sure Aerows Jan 2014 #133
It really does not matter where you or I fall on the issue... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #142
The answer is more guns. Everyone should carry a gun. Beacool Jan 2014 #108
Might help with the unemployment problem. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #113
Child labor? Beacool Jan 2014 #123
Try reading my post again. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #129
I know what you meant. Beacool Jan 2014 #131
OK, good! OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #136
We are on the same page. Beacool Jan 2014 #143
Another UPDATE: 2 victims worked in the mall LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #114
Sounds like a jealous lover targeted his ex and new lover seveneyes Jan 2014 #116
It was a domestic situation and the guy who was jilted got even warrant46 Jan 2014 #130
Edited. Apparently there's an update. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #132
Brianna Benlolo, 21, of College Park, Md warrant46 Jan 2014 #134
Do you have a link to back that up? onenote Jan 2014 #155
Instead of fire drills, employers/schools can have effing-crazy-gun-nut drills. Divernan Jan 2014 #118
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #121
har har so funny Skittles Jan 2014 #141
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #144
I was there just a couple of weeks ago. DCBob Jan 2014 #127
You know, crim son Jan 2014 #147
well you are wrong Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #151
Some final thoughs to go along with my other comments on this. godevil10 Jan 2014 #149
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