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65. In am referring to the libertarians with all the money and power.

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:09 PM

Jan 2014

You can look at CATO and AEI and listen to NPR for them. This older group of billionaire libertarians are being joined by the new tech billionaires, for the past year they have been busy taking over the conservative dialog, Bezos buying the Washington Post. and remember the uproar when the Kochs wanted to buy Chicago Sun and LA Times. John Henry who bought the Boston Globe also libertarian.

Yes I understand what you mean, because there are many young people running around carrying on about being anti-war, pro drugs and a few other nonsensical issues, ignoring the nefarious libertarian views on education in particular, they ignore the EPA, and labor ideas.

I agree Snowden is a tool, one of the young blindingly falling for the libertarian fake liberal message.

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RNC condemns NSA spying in huge turnaround [View all] Indi Guy Jan 2014 OP

and awaaaaaaay we go! reddread Jan 2014 #1

strategic move by GOP to box Democrats in on the issue!! grasswire Jan 2014 #4

Most ordinary people are not terribly ginned up about it the way bloggers are. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #9

The revelations are not over yet. We've heard that from multiple sources. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #67

They don't mean it, really but they think it will get them some votes from the youngters. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #40

It's bad as long as a Democrat is doing it. alarimer Jan 2014 #2

shouldnt be long given all the low hanging fruit reddread Jan 2014 #5

It's bad regardless of who is doing it. Not a party issue but a freedom issue on point Jan 2014 #27

But when they get the chance to do it again, it will be okay... Demenace Jan 2014 #52

It's not about "siding" with anyone. That is a really stupid way of looking at this issue. Maedhros Jan 2014 #62

No, it's not. Political alignments have real world consequences. The RNC is trying to play you here stevenleser Jan 2014 #74

You missed the point of my post. Maedhros Jan 2014 #76

And they'd be blaming Obama bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #3

And they'll demand the investigation go back to Jan 20, 2009. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #6

+1. IOKIYAR blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #15

LOL. The people who built the building now condemn it, because TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #7

Excellent observations of hypocrisy taken to a fine art. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #14

They wouldn't be able to do so if the folks WE voted for hadn't fucked up so badly FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #35

I don't think Obama "fucked up badly". The NSA was operating like TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #38

He did nothing to reign them in FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #41

"Rein". He's tinkering with it. He's probably afraid to overhaul it significantly, and then TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #42

He is probably also afraid of being JFKed, if he tries too hard to do much of anything to fix it. RC Jan 2014 #53

My, my Titonwan Jan 2014 #78

Obama should evolve, agree, and make them vote on dismantling the surveillance state alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #8

And if there's a terra attack, I guess the Repubs own it. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #11

Careful: if he took such a stand, they'd come down on him like a loada bricks struggle4progress Jan 2014 #22

That idea has allot of merit. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #43

Benghazi! SoapBox Jan 2014 #10

They must have found out that Dems have the NSA snooping on them. L0oniX Jan 2014 #12

No, the NSA has been snooping on dems and repubs BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #17

Election year issue. The GOP loves the NSA. Don't let their phony new-found bluster fool you. They'r blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #13

Apparently RW terrorists are being spied on too. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #16

More proof that the GOP will deny national security just to attack President Obama. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #18

More proof you have no idea what tactics are being used. Titonwan Jan 2014 #33

Tactics? You talk of tactics while you play into the RNC's hands here? stevenleser Jan 2014 #75

"In a jarring break" iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #19

NOOOO! how could they betray the Clapper? Ash_F Jan 2014 #20

Golly. I had thunked them wuz the dudes and dames what first started humongous metadata collectin struggle4progress Jan 2014 #21

I'm so old Fumesucker Jan 2014 #23

It seems like a lot of folks Titonwan Jan 2014 #29

No doubt! blackspade Jan 2014 #49

If you don't see the danger in this... Titonwan Jan 2014 #24

Sure, let's all spend our energy on phantom fears instead of real dangers. randome Jan 2014 #26

If the world wouldn't be any different if it was stopped then why not stop it? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #30

It would make no difference to me. randome Jan 2014 #46

I don't trust those 22 NSA employees, since they will be the James Clappers of the organization. Maedhros Jan 2014 #63

You know how the world would be different if we stopped the metadata collection and storage today? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #34

....not to mention saving trillions of dollars! grasswire Jan 2014 #36

As far as the metadata goes, it likely takes next to nothing to transmit and store the data. randome Jan 2014 #45

And how many billions of dollars did it take to build those storage facilities for that meta data? RC Jan 2014 #55

The storage facility is not for telephone metadata. randome Jan 2014 #60

Brayhahahahaahah.... RC Jan 2014 #61

what is the cost (including debt service and staffing)... grasswire Jan 2014 #56

Hell if I know. But the metadata is routinely destroyed every few years. randome Jan 2014 #59

It's astounding to me.. sendero Jan 2014 #48

And this is the reason to get out in front. Titonwan Jan 2014 #28

Digby's view Titonwan Jan 2014 #31

excellent grasswire Jan 2014 #37

I want to see the Democratic Party step up to the plate. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #32

This is a major signal that the libertarian Republicans have taken the party Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #39

What definition of "Libertarian" are you using? Maedhros Jan 2014 #64

In am referring to the libertarians with all the money and power. Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #65

Snowden being a "tool" or not is irrelevant. Maedhros Jan 2014 #69

The unintended irony of your "I think you're on the wrong site." with respect to the OP is delicious stevenleser Jan 2014 #73

You consistently (deliberately?) misrepresent the statements of those to whom you respond. Maedhros Jan 2014 #77

If you don't want to defend words, particularly attacks, don't utter them. Simple, right? nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #81

My "attack" amounted to this: Maedhros Jan 2014 #83

The anti-war is myth, unless you think our libertarian oil-igarch's are just Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #87

None of what you describe applies at all to Glenn Greenwald or Laura Poitras, Maedhros Jan 2014 #91

Here is more of the transistion of Rebublican from Heritage style conservatism to Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #88

They could care less about privacy rights. DCBob Jan 2014 #44

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ treestar Jan 2014 #51

Washington's Blog's take on this... Titonwan Jan 2014 #47

We better get ahead of this before the Repugs gain from it. Titonwan Jan 2014 #50

They have no interest in stopping the NSA JoePhilly Jan 2014 #54

They don't have to they just have to pretend to and be opposed in those pretensions by who they run TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #58

Once again this is why you don't defend the shitty policy of your opponents. JoeyT Jan 2014 #57

I know. Titonwan Jan 2014 #79

Does Anybody Doubt that if Turtlehead Wolf Frankula Jan 2014 #66

LMAO, the party that brought us warrantless wiretapping now claiming righteous indignation!!!!!! stevenleser Jan 2014 #68

The transparent hypocrisy is actually quite remarkable. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #70

Well, there appears to be a lot of what you described as "willfully blind" participating in this OP stevenleser Jan 2014 #72

lol. the real response is the DNC has a SERIOUS PROBLEM on their hands reddread Jan 2014 #82

Can you cite some specific examples of posters in this thread Maedhros Jan 2014 #84

i saw something even better reddread Jan 2014 #86

Translation- Obamacare is doing well and they know it n/t underpants Jan 2014 #71

Interesting observation. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #80

they are grasping at straws. A little late to this party. olddad56 Jan 2014 #85

Convenient time for the RNC to jump on the bandwagon, innit? Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #89

The republicans of the fifties would have no trouble with this. bemildred Jan 2014 #90