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20. I think we need to get out of this mindset about extending childhood

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:37 PM

Jan 2014

it's not doing this generation any good. I worked with high school students to help them plan for their future and their expectations of what life will be after they graduate and go to college is is out of proportion to reality. High Schools get "graded" better on how many go to college not on how many complete college. So they are advocating college to students and parents without advocating jobs. I had the most unrealistic job goals and would have to try to get them to major in something else that they could actually get a job in and use the other goal as a "minor" degree. I also know that many of the students that went to "trade" schools did far better at being able to take care of themselves and their families than the ones with 4 year degrees and isn't that the purpose?

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Obama: College Degree Not Needed for a Good Career [View all] Freddie Stubbs Jan 2014 OP

:popcorn: Wilms Jan 2014 #1

Now if only employers would stop requiring unnecessary degrees for those jobs... Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2014 #2

BINGO n/t VWolf Jan 2014 #5

Agreed. Xyzse Jan 2014 #12

For many, a degree means debt. For an employer, debt means control. RadiationTherapy Jan 2014 #14

Excellent point. jsr Jan 2014 #23

A lot of they SAY they do, but they don't, actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #15

Not so everywhere. upaloopa Jan 2014 #26

That's true, I was overly-absolute there. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #46

My mom started out with an AA in the early 80's davidpdx Jan 2014 #56

That's been my experience in many cases too penultimate Feb 2014 #76

Yup sakabatou Jan 2014 #22

Not sure about all industry, but in telecom years/experience trump degrees every time.. snooper2 Jan 2014 #39

I completely agree. Skilled trades training is extremely important and a great JaneyVee Jan 2014 #3

Agree, but waiting for the anti-tradesmen chorous to start... cprise Jan 2014 #34

How many PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #41

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #40

No, they move the factories instead. alarimer Feb 2014 #74

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #77

Skilled trades training is extremely important AlbertCat Jan 2014 #47

Pounding nails and slinging blocks for a living is a life fullfilling dream most trustfunders never adirondacker Jan 2014 #50

Some of the smartest and most interesting people I have ever made fall in the "skilled trades" cat Yo_Mama Jan 2014 #58

And it's so much easier to control everyone with propaganda. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #59

Exactly right. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #4

True. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #6

I couldn't agree more...... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #7

I think we need to get out of this mindset about extending childhood ebbie15644 Jan 2014 #20

We are aligned..... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #29

Thanks! for the response. I feel alone in this world sometimes, lol ebbie15644 Jan 2014 #60

You know who is great at training programs for skilled trades? Maedhros Jan 2014 #8

I agree but those apprenticeships are hard to come by. ebbie15644 Jan 2014 #18

They are NOW, after decades of government and corporate assault on unions.[n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #24

+1000 frwrfpos Jan 2014 #30

When I was young I applied for both a union apprenticeship and college davidpdx Jan 2014 #55

Education is not necessarily for a vocation, knowledge should be free. dotymed Jan 2014 #9

Ditto all that notemason Jan 2014 #11

Absolutely notemason. dotymed Jan 2014 #62

Oh yes, notemason Jan 2014 #64

+1 CountAllVotes Jan 2014 #63

Excellent points tabasco Jan 2014 #66

When I look at resumes, I rarely look at their school. onehandle Jan 2014 #10

Of course. For some jobs it is, others not. People need all sorts of training. uppityperson Jan 2014 #13

Correct. But people do need good career options even if they don't have a degree. Brickbat Jan 2014 #16

a college education is more than just training for a career. olddad56 Jan 2014 #17

A good base "liberal" education is essential. NOT FOX NEWS warrant46 Jan 2014 #21

I think were are past the tipping point on that one, olddad56 Jan 2014 #33

Learning Latin and French worked for me. warrant46 Jan 2014 #44

And what might that "good career" be, pray tell? LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #19

Oh really, this smacks of hypocricy saidsimplesimon Jan 2014 #25

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #43

I think, even as children become more sexually active at a younger age, that they are less mature MADem Jan 2014 #27

I have a friend PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #42

She's moving towards "outlier" territory, but nowadays, people hop from job to job MADem Jan 2014 #45

But Congress is needed... Orsino Jan 2014 #28

Been searching desperately for appliance repairmen mainer Jan 2014 #31

All he's talking about is a federal jobs training review? Where are the actual jobs? last1standing Jan 2014 #32

Walmart needs staff plumbers. CHEAP and Pronto! nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #53

That's all fine & dandy if you can swing a hammer Oscarmonster13 Jan 2014 #35

No matter what field you go into, you have to learn all your life. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #36

This is right on target. It's not an either/or where tech training or post-secondary liberal arts LuckyLib Jan 2014 #71

Boooo! PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #37

If this is true... Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #38

this has always been true treestar Jan 2014 #48

Progress is our most important product polynomial Jan 2014 #49

True story: Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #51

I received my technical training in the military madville Jan 2014 #52

I don't trust anything that Obama or his pal Arne Duncan have to say about education. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #54

I'm not sure what this has to do with the fact that there are 3 applicants for every job Doctor_J Jan 2014 #57

Maybe not "needed" but ... CountAllVotes Jan 2014 #61

Uneducated people PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #67

This guy is quite the idiot CountAllVotes Jan 2014 #68

Is he going to say every GOP talking point during his presidency? yurbud Jan 2014 #65

He sure has wrung up quite a few Doctor_J Jan 2014 #69

he's doing a lot to prove my suspicion that our only choice in elections is yurbud Jan 2014 #70

I wonder how many of his appointments don't have a college degree. n/t hughee99 Feb 2014 #72

This is no longer true. alarimer Feb 2014 #73

objectively that is true. There are a number of skilled occupations that pay a lot better than Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #75

"... human beings need bread and roses" suffragette Feb 2014 #78

Meanwhile India and China are pushing their citizens to get advanced degrees in the sciences... NoodleyAppendage Feb 2014 #79