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47. That happens in most countries...the US is quite unique with double jeopardy

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:11 PM

Jan 2014

Some countries have statutory laws that give double jeopardy protection in certain situations, but the US is really the only one that enshrines such broad right in the nation's Constitution. In America, the government really only gets one shot at it even if it's found that the defense was lying. A lot of countries think that's nuts.

Obviously our founding fathers knew what they were doing when it came to that. Our judicial system was largely based on fixing problems that existed in the European systems. A lot of those problems still exist today over there. In most European countries, you don't have a right to an attorney before questioning. You don't have a right to a speedy trial. And the prosecutor can appeal a not guilty verdict.

Our legal system still has a lot of problems, especially with inequality in regards to wealth (sometimes it seems you can buy a verdict in this country). But the entire world seems to have that problem too.

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US will likely extradite Knox if Italy asks [View all] onehandle Jan 2014 OP

I think the case against her is a joke weissmam Jan 2014 #1

Agreed. She won't be extradited. -nt Bonx Jan 2014 #68

If she weren't pretty we wouldn't care? Merlot Jan 2014 #2

What a sick fuck Alan is. DURHAM D Jan 2014 #3

Wow Scairp Jan 2014 #18

Who wants to go to Italy Anyway ? warrant46 Jan 2014 #45

That happens in most countries...the US is quite unique with double jeopardy davidn3600 Jan 2014 #47

Thank you for your awesome answer I couldn't have said it better warrant46 Jan 2014 #52

Sure, if you want to get your head stoved in over your wallet Scairp Jan 2014 #70

My spouse & I visit PR as tourists regularly & have done so for 20 years whathehell Feb 2014 #81

I hear about it all the time Scairp Feb 2014 #107

Really?..What areas did they stay in? whathehell Feb 2014 #108

+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #53

Also, not every country bases its system on "innocent until proven guilty." question everything Jan 2014 #62

I believe that also. Better to let the quilty go free than convict an innocent person. Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #72

You really ARE kidding, aren't you? CTyankee Jan 2014 #71

I'm sure they will serve ragu bolognese sauce during stay in jail warrant46 Jan 2014 #73

Have you ever BEEN in Italy? CTyankee Jan 2014 #74

I like Italy for ior all the reasons you mentioned, but in my humble opinion, whathehell Feb 2014 #83

Yes, and that is a different issue entirely. I think Knox is innocent, too. CTyankee Feb 2014 #98

Yes it is, and wouldn't just flip them off entirely either.. whathehell Feb 2014 #100

Funny, I was talking with my ESOL student who is from Benin today and we were discussing CTyankee Feb 2014 #105

Me! Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #110

He retired last year. Helen Borg Jan 2014 #48

I have come to detest Dershowitz... But after defending torture under Bushies*, I can't be surprised hlthe2b Jan 2014 #6

Maybe he is saying that the media never would have made you aware of Knox if she was not pretty? nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2014 #19

Then he should be able to point at an equivalent case that proves his point maxsolomon Jan 2014 #51

You disagree with his statement? leftynyc Jan 2014 #35

It's a sexist statement but I don't think his observation is any different from... Mike Daniels Jan 2014 #41

Absolutely the same thing leftynyc Jan 2014 #42

Yes it is, because he's basically calling her "guilty", saying her support stems ONLY whathehell Feb 2014 #91

That's not actually what he said..He said that her looks were ALL she had whathehell Feb 2014 #85

I'm totally blind and I'm still on her side. Harcourdt Fenton Mud Jan 2014 #43

It still stands to reason that if she weren't young, white and attractive Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #63

I agree with you up until you ascribe "overwhelming support" to her looks whathehell Feb 2014 #90

But Davis wasn't a cause c�l�bre in the national media, was he? Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #112

No, but what would you call OJ Simpson? whathehell Feb 2014 #114

O.J. Simpson was a nationally known football hall-of-famer and public figure Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #122

Of course, and although Amanda Knox was neither of those things, whathehell Feb 2014 #123

"because that's what this is all about"?...What does he base THAT on and whathehell Feb 2014 #79

What a sexist prick. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #4

Hard to believe question everything Jan 2014 #5

Double Jeopardy lobodons Jan 2014 #25

+1 tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #26

It's in the extradition treaty Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #39

Well, then. This should take care of this question everything Jan 2014 #61

I heard one legal analyst say that most extradition treaties require that Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #40

If the U.S. were to ignore a request then Italy would not extradite to the U.S. former9thward Jan 2014 #44

That's a consideration Liberalynn Jan 2014 #46

There have been a number of denied extradition requests between the US and western Europe LanternWaste Jan 2014 #64

We do not have an extradition treaty with Russia, they are under no obligation to return Snowden davidn3600 Jan 2014 #69

The EU denies our requests when there's a death penalty possibility anyway whathehell Feb 2014 #82

Ridiculous a2liberal Jan 2014 #7

As pretty as she is? Beacool Jan 2014 #8

I honestly don't think that was his point leftynyc Jan 2014 #36

This isn't a missing persons case. maxsolomon Jan 2014 #49

Are you deliberately misunderstanding me? leftynyc Jan 2014 #54

Yes it would be nice if America didn't send innocent Black Men to prison. maxsolomon Jan 2014 #55

I think we mostly agree, however, leftynyc Jan 2014 #67

When will you realize that "attention" and "support" are not synonyms? n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #93

This happened in Italy, not the US. Beacool Feb 2014 #76

Yes, I know this was in Italy leftynyc Feb 2014 #80

Oh, I think that attractive people get more press, no doubt about it. Beacool Feb 2014 #86

Attention is one thing -- Support is another..She is NOT supported in Italy or the UK whathehell Feb 2014 #92

I am so glad that you see it that way. I don't know if I could handle it if my favorite poster StevieM Jan 2014 #58

Ahhhh, thanks for the compliment. Beacool Feb 2014 #75

Agree wholeheartedly, but as another poster said, after you've defended torture whathehell Feb 2014 #84

What are you talking about??? Beacool Feb 2014 #87

I'm talking about Dersh whathehell Feb 2014 #88

OK Beacool Feb 2014 #89

Yep, she's going into hiding... derby378 Jan 2014 #9

Beat me to it musiclawyer Jan 2014 #11

Sometimes I think DU is populated by the brain damaged. maxsolomon Jan 2014 #50

This isn't news, its opinion Orangepeel Jan 2014 #10

Yes, and the opinion of an ass. elleng Jan 2014 #14

That's putting it nicely! nt adirondacker Feb 2014 #97

Not good davidpdx Jan 2014 #12

alan dershowitz is an ass, elleng Jan 2014 #13

She was acquitted in Italy Seedersandleechers Jan 2014 #15

the problem is...that is after she was convicted the first time... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #77

Her conviction was overturned...that's been translated as an acquittal, but it need not be alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #102

No, because the us government won't hand her over based on that clown court. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #16

Then the US would have to extradite some CIA agents. atreides1 Jan 2014 #17

I was thinking the same think. go west young man Jan 2014 #30

How about not extraditing her because the charges are a bunch of bullshit? blackspade Jan 2014 #20

Thank you..The charges against her and her former BF ARE bullshit..No extradition. whathehell Feb 2014 #94

my understanding.... cab67 Jan 2014 #21

How many trials can you have in Italy over the same crime, doc03 Jan 2014 #22

How many trials ? dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #34

Italy can try her and find her "guilty" until hell freezes over -- She's not going anywhere whathehell Feb 2014 #99

You've got it slightly wrong dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #103

How have I -- and several others here, it seems -- "got it slightly wrong"? whathehell Feb 2014 #111

Rudy Guede's DNA was found in the victim, on the victim, on her bra, etc. etc..... groundloop Jan 2014 #23

Check out the movies "The Starmaker"or "Malena" go west young man Jan 2014 #31

Hey Alan, don't forget lobodons Jan 2014 #24

Oh wait! Let's try that again. Okay, now she's guilty. tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #27

This seems to have worked differently than the OJ trial. Kablooie Jan 2014 #28

The US has an extradition treaty with Italy BluegrassDem Jan 2014 #29

I don't think your correct... go west young man Jan 2014 #32

The Italinas seem to exboyfil Jan 2014 #56

The judicial system of the US is, like all others, imperfect, but we do employ something whathehell Feb 2014 #117

The Guardian interview. go west young man Jan 2014 #33

That's historic - prior to yesterday's verdict dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #37

Considering that Italy is the main country stopping the drug used in lethal injection executions... NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #38

What I don't know is whose hurt feelings are driving this train in Italy... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #57

While this IS a clear case of double (triple, quadruple?) jeopardy. . . . BigDemVoter Jan 2014 #59

No, it's not even One And A Half Jeopardy. Furthermore, closeupready Jan 2014 #65

They have a law Sgent Feb 2014 #116

So now Italy is North Korea. Now I really have heard everything, closeupready Feb 2014 #118

It isn't really a clear case of double jeopardy...the supposed acquittal alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #104

Ah, ok-- thanks for the clarification! BigDemVoter Feb 2014 #113

Pretty white women have a considerable amount of privlage when it come to Exultant Democracy Jan 2014 #60

Maybe, but then again, so do White MEN, whathehell Feb 2014 #95

I dont think the so-called "pretty white girl privilege" has really worked in Amanda's favor davidn3600 Feb 2014 #106

I agree and have pointed that out in other posts. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #109

IIRC, this is the same prosecutor described in the book "Monster of Florence" hedgehog Jan 2014 #66

Exactly..Robert Mignini..The turd spent time in prison for "abuse of power" in whathehell Feb 2014 #96

WTF is wrong with Dershowitz? Why is he projecting his obviously biased whathehell Feb 2014 #78

He's a self-promoting bootlicker jsr Feb 2014 #119

That sounds as reasonable as anything else that comes to mind. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #120

maybe wait until someone in the DOJ or State Dept makes a statement re: extradtion. Last mulsh Feb 2014 #101

Italy has to make a request, and the State Dept could deny without explanation jsr Feb 2014 #121

That would be both unjust and insane--but I take any Alan D. statement tblue37 Feb 2014 #115