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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
78. "... human beings need bread and roses"
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 11:15 AM
Feb 2014

It bothers me that he devalued arts education to make the point about studying and funding job training programs. Both (and more) are needed in our society and should be encouraged, rather than posing them as a choice of one or another.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/31/obama-becomes-latest-politician-criticize-liberal-arts-discipline

Then there is the fact that arts programs in American higher education (admittedly not identical to art history) -- fearful of the stereotype that they provide job training for Starbucks jobs -- have worked to study employment outcomes of their graduates. Their findings: Graduates of arts programs, while not all employed in the arts, are generally employed and have high levels of job satisfaction, using their arts knowledge in a range of ways. And then there is the study released just last week by the Association of American Colleges and Universities about the long-term success of liberal arts graduates in the world of work.
Carol Geary Schneider, president of the Association of American Colleges and Universities, said via email that she found the president's rhetoric disappointing. "In recent years, we've sunk into a 'what's in it for me' approach to learning, making career earnings the litmus test both for college and for different majors," she said. "The president speaks well in principle about our responsibilities to one another in a democratic society.
"But he seems to have forgotten that college can build our desire and capacity to make a better world, not just better technologies. It was depressing to hear President Obama describe college mainly as vocational and/or technical training in the State of the Union address, and it's even worse to have him casually dismiss one of the liberal arts -- or even the whole idea of baccalaureate study -- because you can earn good enough money in a skilled trade. The fact of the matter is that human beings need bread and roses -- and people who help make things do it better, as Steve Jobs said and demonstrated repeatedly, when they study both the arts and technology."
Linda Downs, executive director of the College Art Association, posted a reaction on the group's blog, offering support for any federal effort to promote access for more people to higher education. However, the blog post went on to say: "When these measures are made by cutting back on, denigrating or eliminating humanities disciplines such as art history, then America’s future generations will be discouraged from taking advantage of the values, critical and decisive thinking and creative problem solving offered by the humanities. It is worth remembering that many of the nation’s most important innovators, in fields including high technology, business, and even military service, have degrees in the humanities."



As JFK said:

http://arts.gov/about/kennedy

If sometimes our great artists have been the most critical of our society, it is because their sensitivity and their concern for justice, which must motivate any true artist, makes him aware that our Nation falls short of its highest potential. I see little of more importance to the future of our country and our civilization than full recognition of the place of the artist.

If art is to nourish the roots of our culture, society must set the artist free to follow his vision wherever it takes him. We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth. And as Mr. MacLeish once remarked of poets, there is nothing worse for our trade than to be in style. In free society art is not a weapon and it does not belong to the spheres of polemic and ideology. Artists are not engineers of the soul. It may be different elsewhere. But democratic society--in it, the highest duty of the writer, the composer, the artist is to remain true to himself and to let the chips fall where they may. In serving his vision of the truth, the artist best serves his nation. And the nation which disdains the mission of art invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."

I look forward to a great future for America, a future in which our country will match its military strength with our moral restraint, its wealth with our wisdom, its power with our purpose. I look forward to an America which will not be afraid of grace and beauty, which will protect the beauty of our natural environment, which will preserve the great old American houses and squares and parks of our national past, and which will build handsome and balanced cities for our future.

I look forward to an America which will reward achievement in the arts as we reward achievement in business or statecraft. I look forward to an America which will steadily raise the standards of artistic accomplishment and which will steadily enlarge cultural opportunities for all of our citizens. And I look forward to an America which commands respect throughout the world not only for its strength but for its civilization as well. And I look forward to a world which will be safe not only for democracy and diversity but also for personal distinction.



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:popcorn: Wilms Jan 2014 #1
Now if only employers would stop requiring unnecessary degrees for those jobs... Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2014 #2
BINGO n/t VWolf Jan 2014 #5
Agreed. Xyzse Jan 2014 #12
For many, a degree means debt. For an employer, debt means control. RadiationTherapy Jan 2014 #14
Excellent point. jsr Jan 2014 #23
A lot of they SAY they do, but they don't, actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #15
Not so everywhere. upaloopa Jan 2014 #26
That's true, I was overly-absolute there. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #46
My mom started out with an AA in the early 80's davidpdx Jan 2014 #56
That's been my experience in many cases too penultimate Feb 2014 #76
Yup sakabatou Jan 2014 #22
Not sure about all industry, but in telecom years/experience trump degrees every time.. snooper2 Jan 2014 #39
I completely agree. Skilled trades training is extremely important and a great JaneyVee Jan 2014 #3
Agree, but waiting for the anti-tradesmen chorous to start... cprise Jan 2014 #34
How many PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #41
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #40
No, they move the factories instead. alarimer Feb 2014 #74
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #77
Skilled trades training is extremely important AlbertCat Jan 2014 #47
Pounding nails and slinging blocks for a living is a life fullfilling dream most trustfunders never adirondacker Jan 2014 #50
Some of the smartest and most interesting people I have ever made fall in the "skilled trades" cat Yo_Mama Jan 2014 #58
And it's so much easier to control everyone with propaganda. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #59
Exactly right. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #4
True. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #6
I couldn't agree more...... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #7
I think we need to get out of this mindset about extending childhood ebbie15644 Jan 2014 #20
We are aligned..... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #29
Thanks! for the response. I feel alone in this world sometimes, lol ebbie15644 Jan 2014 #60
You know who is great at training programs for skilled trades? Maedhros Jan 2014 #8
I agree but those apprenticeships are hard to come by. ebbie15644 Jan 2014 #18
They are NOW, after decades of government and corporate assault on unions.[n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #24
+1000 frwrfpos Jan 2014 #30
When I was young I applied for both a union apprenticeship and college davidpdx Jan 2014 #55
Education is not necessarily for a vocation, knowledge should be free. dotymed Jan 2014 #9
Ditto all that notemason Jan 2014 #11
Absolutely notemason. dotymed Jan 2014 #62
Oh yes, notemason Jan 2014 #64
+1 CountAllVotes Jan 2014 #63
Excellent points tabasco Jan 2014 #66
When I look at resumes, I rarely look at their school. onehandle Jan 2014 #10
Of course. For some jobs it is, others not. People need all sorts of training. uppityperson Jan 2014 #13
Correct. But people do need good career options even if they don't have a degree. Brickbat Jan 2014 #16
a college education is more than just training for a career. olddad56 Jan 2014 #17
A good base "liberal" education is essential. NOT FOX NEWS warrant46 Jan 2014 #21
I think were are past the tipping point on that one, olddad56 Jan 2014 #33
Learning Latin and French worked for me. warrant46 Jan 2014 #44
And what might that "good career" be, pray tell? LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #19
Oh really, this smacks of hypocricy saidsimplesimon Jan 2014 #25
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #43
I think, even as children become more sexually active at a younger age, that they are less mature MADem Jan 2014 #27
I have a friend PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #42
She's moving towards "outlier" territory, but nowadays, people hop from job to job MADem Jan 2014 #45
But Congress is needed... Orsino Jan 2014 #28
Been searching desperately for appliance repairmen mainer Jan 2014 #31
All he's talking about is a federal jobs training review? Where are the actual jobs? last1standing Jan 2014 #32
Walmart needs staff plumbers. CHEAP and Pronto! nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #53
That's all fine & dandy if you can swing a hammer Oscarmonster13 Jan 2014 #35
No matter what field you go into, you have to learn all your life. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #36
This is right on target. It's not an either/or where tech training or post-secondary liberal arts LuckyLib Jan 2014 #71
Boooo! PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #37
If this is true... Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #38
this has always been true treestar Jan 2014 #48
Progress is our most important product polynomial Jan 2014 #49
True story: Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #51
I received my technical training in the military madville Jan 2014 #52
I don't trust anything that Obama or his pal Arne Duncan have to say about education. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #54
I'm not sure what this has to do with the fact that there are 3 applicants for every job Doctor_J Jan 2014 #57
Maybe not "needed" but ... CountAllVotes Jan 2014 #61
Uneducated people PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #67
This guy is quite the idiot CountAllVotes Jan 2014 #68
Is he going to say every GOP talking point during his presidency? yurbud Jan 2014 #65
He sure has wrung up quite a few Doctor_J Jan 2014 #69
he's doing a lot to prove my suspicion that our only choice in elections is yurbud Jan 2014 #70
I wonder how many of his appointments don't have a college degree. n/t hughee99 Feb 2014 #72
This is no longer true. alarimer Feb 2014 #73
objectively that is true. There are a number of skilled occupations that pay a lot better than Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #75
"... human beings need bread and roses" suffragette Feb 2014 #78
Meanwhile India and China are pushing their citizens to get advanced degrees in the sciences... NoodleyAppendage Feb 2014 #79
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