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84. That is not what the state determined

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:20 AM

Feb 2014

There is a big difference between "innocent" and insufficient evidence to prove the crime. Adults are much more savvy than children in hiding evidence, in manipulation, in power and control. That is why child molestation cases are hard to prove.

In most cases, there is little or no physical evidence. In many cases, the perpetrators are friends, family. Who would want to believe that someone you love is capable of such a thing? And most perpetrators are excellent liars.

In our society, we focus on the actions of the child: why would she act like that if she were molested? Why would she continue to love her father? Why wouldn't she tell? Perhaps if we focused on his actions, rather than attempting to explain them away, we would do much better by our children.

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Allen Responds to Farrow's Abuse Claims in Letter [View all] Hissyspit Feb 2014 OP

judge says allens behavior grossly inappropriate and mia did not do all the stuff allen says she did seabeyond Feb 2014 #1

People Mag: Dylan Farrow Speaks Out About Her Woody Allen Allegations � and the Backlash PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #2

And another woody Allen Pedophile thread goes in the trash.... Walk away Feb 2014 #3

here is so more from the judge... dylan accused, not mia, btw. seabeyond Feb 2014 #4

And then, Mia named another one of her children after the judge (middle name of the child Wilks). JDPriestly Feb 2014 #11

Your argument is a real reach...I must say you leave me practically speechless...reaching for CTyankee Feb 2014 #44

I agree. It is evidence of nothing. But it is still very, very bizarre. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #49

I agree with you on everything but your very last sentence. polly7 Feb 2014 #47

Yes. I can understand. I just can't take sides. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #50

And that's probably the best position, being that the 'facts' are contradicted from polly7 Feb 2014 #52

The judge knows better than Soon-Yi and Moses what went on in the house? Bonobo Feb 2014 #13

I'm not sure how those who defend Mia and Dylan can reconcile this: Cooley Hurd Feb 2014 #5

Totally agree! n/t bobGandolf Feb 2014 #22

It happens all the time Evergreen Emerald Feb 2014 #39

His letter will be the final word on the matter? That sounds unbelievably arrogant, doesn't it? Fridays Child Feb 2014 #6

His quote in the letter to the Times is: PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #7

Right. Fridays Child Feb 2014 #9

Yes, bad writing on AP part. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #10

Mia Farrow has always seemed flakey to me. pacalo Feb 2014 #8

She has always seemed unhinged to me. Bonobo Feb 2014 #12

+1 n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #29

If my husband got away with ruining my daughter 's life... Evergreen Emerald Feb 2014 #40

and you know the daughter was raped, whereas the state of CT determined she wasn't---because...?? wordpix Feb 2014 #82

That is not what the state determined Evergreen Emerald Feb 2014 #84

Sinatra, Polanski, her brother... reddread Feb 2014 #14

Sorry, but Scairp Feb 2014 #16

Did I leave out Previn? reddread Feb 2014 #24

She is NOT a flake Scairp Feb 2014 #15

From a 1992 "60 Minutes" interview... pacalo Feb 2014 #17

Guess what? Scairp Feb 2014 #18

I hear extreme bias in you. (Read On) RBInMaine Feb 2014 #20

You're Exactly RIGHT!!! WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #34

WOW! Now if that doesn't show what she is willing and capable of, I don't know what does. Bonobo Feb 2014 #23

I remember seeing that 1992 "60 Minutes" Interview red dog 1 Feb 2014 #60

I'm curious what you are referring to davidpdx Feb 2014 #19

I love your "coulda," "mighta," "woulda" and then it "became." TA DA! QED! CTyankee Feb 2014 #45

Actually, it seems to encompass the main theme here: *No one knows*. pacalo Feb 2014 #48

What I see playing out here is, in the words of a poster who got their post hidden, a "psycho bitch CTyankee Feb 2014 #54

And why do you bring that up as a response to me? pacalo Feb 2014 #57

wow, now it's red meat baiting and torches and pitchforks... CTyankee Feb 2014 #58

There's nothing more to discuss. pacalo Feb 2014 #59

"Woody Allen, in his late 50s, had secretly entered into a sexual relationship with ... red dog 1 Feb 2014 #63

OK, how else do you want to put it? He had a sexual relationship with his lover's adopted teenaged CTyankee Feb 2014 #66

Thanks for posting that. It's the most sensible commentary I've seen. pacalo Feb 2014 #73

Hollywood just loves them some Woody Allen!...Right... CTyankee Feb 2014 #75

Afraid to read it, now that you've got your torches-&-pitchforks groove going on? pacalo Feb 2014 #77

Oh,not mine at all! Hollywood has plenty of its own, don't worry, pacalo! CTyankee Feb 2014 #79

I think there are other "brethren" at work here who are "just lovin' it!1!" -- pacalo Feb 2014 #81

Woody is a powerful guy in the Hollywood community. CTyankee Feb 2014 #85

he is a sick and twisted fucker noiretextatique Feb 2014 #103

Why won't Mia Farrow take a lie detector test? Democat Feb 2014 #21

Passing a lie detector test means nothing. Thats why they're not allowed in a trial. 7962 Feb 2014 #28

Actually, that's not completely correct WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #35

Also, he refused to take a test administered by the police. He passed one given by someone 7962 Feb 2014 #43

Which is a self defeating argument for anyone who thinks Allen is guilty Major Nikon Feb 2014 #87

For those who think they are reliable, they're only reliable when given by a 3rd party 7962 Feb 2014 #88

the state's atty also got rebuked by a disciplinary panel for saying he had probable cause Major Nikon Feb 2014 #89

from what I read, Woody refused an objective lie detector test and hired his own CTyankee Feb 2014 #55

Mia Farrow did refuse to take a lie detector test.....I wonder why? red dog 1 Feb 2014 #64

And now Allen has 2 more little girls, 14 and 15 years old, to play around with fasttense Feb 2014 #25

You can't have it both ways WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #38

Dylan Farrow's response to Allen's NY Times op-ed... PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #26

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #27

Misogyny Scairp Feb 2014 #33

Scairp, disagreeing with you... Nitram Feb 2014 #36

Two females against the word of one male Scairp Feb 2014 #41

Two females against one male are automatically telling the truth? Nitram Feb 2014 #106

anyone who claims "psycho bitch from hell" and "a man's worst nightmare" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

If he was falsely accused of sexually abusing a minor for spite... Nitram Mar 2014 #108

no, there's no jutification for calling her a "psycho b!tch" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #109

Molesters almost always VA_Jill Feb 2014 #30

This thinking is paranoid and sick. closeupready Feb 2014 #32

The fact that molesters lie... Nitram Feb 2014 #37

I don't know who to believe, but "lie detectors" prove nothing. Pale Blue Dot Feb 2014 #51

It is only one piece of evidence among many. Nitram Feb 2014 #107

Huh? progressoid Feb 2014 #53

"There are a lot of other ways to molest a young girl..." pacalo Feb 2014 #80

That letter really covers the facts. I believe him,he says the letter is the last we hear from him. Sunlei Feb 2014 #31

Look Robbins Feb 2014 #42

I'm just loving all this "evidence" against Mia...NOT... CTyankee Feb 2014 #46

You know, I keep seeing the Polanski reference and yet never an actual quote from Mia CTyankee Feb 2014 #56

if this were Mel Gibson instead of Allen I doubt DU would have this many geek tragedy Feb 2014 #61

I think it is because Woody was once a rather romantic figure because he WAS so CTyankee Feb 2014 #67

this is completely unsurprising to me. community standards are such that misogyny geek tragedy Feb 2014 #68

so much of this rage flies under the flag of free speech. I do not understand this sea change. CTyankee Feb 2014 #69

i have to disagree that feminism was ever a founding block of progressivism. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #70

You know, that's a pretty crappy line to take toward "liberal men." Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #71

"where people stand depends on where they sit" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #72

Pffft, there's no shortage of self described feminists that take those positions Major Nikon Feb 2014 #86

Just like there are black Republicans, there's the odd woman who claims to geek tragedy Feb 2014 #90

You have no idea what you are talking about Major Nikon Feb 2014 #91

Feminists do disagree on porn. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #92

Your argument is still no better than 'I don't agree with them, so they must not be feminists' Major Nikon Feb 2014 #94

Again, those women are not feminists, but MRA attention-seekers whose schtick is to geek tragedy Feb 2014 #95

You are just repeating yourself Major Nikon Feb 2014 #96

No, they advocate against gender equality and in favor of men's conveniences geek tragedy Feb 2014 #97

... Major Nikon Feb 2014 #98

hey, if you think Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson and Herman Cain are authentic geek tragedy Feb 2014 #99

... Major Nikon Feb 2014 #100

heh, go on listening to only those women who tell you what you want to hear nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #101

Pot/Kettle Major Nikon Feb 2014 #102

It was to me. There was a wing of it at least that subscribed to the idea of feminism... CTyankee Feb 2014 #74

there tends to be a focus on formalistic measures of feminist advocacy geek tragedy Feb 2014 #83

i think this is exactly it, but we have seen that one can be liberal JI7 Feb 2014 #76

That is a VERY interesting and true observation. Squinch Feb 2014 #78

marrying his step-daugther convinced me noiretextatique Feb 2014 #105

K&R...Thanks, Hissyspit, for posting red dog 1 Feb 2014 #65

Aaaack........I'm almost scared of this thread - raven mad Feb 2014 #93

frank sinatra wan not her stepfather noiretextatique Feb 2014 #104