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11. There's a complex and murky back story on this
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:26 PM
Feb 2014

Here's Miller's account from 2003 of the discovery -- a story that has never quite added up and that inspired a number of conspiracy theories a couple of years later when Miller played a role in the Plame affair.

(On edit: I notice looking up at the OP that the LA Times story has it wrong. They didn't chance on these documents while looking for WMDs. They allegedly chanced on potentially incriminating Iraqi intelligence documents while looking for an ancient Talmud. Which is why the story is so weird.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/07/international/worldspecial/07FIND.html?ex=1129780800&en=895e8c6118182400&ei=5070&th&oref=login

Iraqi Documents on Israel Surface on a Cultural Hunt
By JUDITH MILLER
Published: May 7, 2003

What began today as a hunt for an ancient Jewish text at secret police headquarters here wound up unearthing a trove of Iraqi intelligence documents and maps relating to Israel as well as offers of sales of uranium and other nuclear material to Iraq. . . .

The discoveries, which American military officers called significant but which did not by themselves offer documentary evidence of direct Iraqi links to terror attacks on Israel, were the serendipitous byproduct of one of the strangest missions ever conducted by MET Alpha.

The search began this morning when 16 soldiers from MET Alpha teamed up with members of the Iraqi National Congress, a leading opposition group headed by Ahmad Chalabi, to search for what an intelligence source had described as one of the most ancient copies of the Talmud in existence, dating from the seventh century. The Talmud is a book of oral law, with rabbinical commentaries and interpretations. . . .

Slogging down the dank hallway, the soldiers reached a room where they found hundreds of books floating in the foul water. There they rescued three bundles of older Jewish books, including a Babylonian Talmud from Vilna, accounting books of the Jewish community of Baghdad between 1949 and 1953 and dozens of more modern scholarly books mostly in Arabic and Hebrew — "Generals of Israel," by Moshe Ben-Shaul; David Ben-Gurion's "Memoirs"; and "Semites and Anti-Semites," by the Princeton scholar Bernard Lewis. But no seventh-century Talmud.

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i didn't read the whole article so maybe there might be a good reason JI7 Feb 2014 #1
from the article melm00se Feb 2014 #3
ok i can see why not to give it back JI7 Feb 2014 #5
Here are the more interesting items according to the national archive Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #28
I'd rather that they returned the archeological artifacts that they "liberated" at that time ... Nihil Feb 2014 #2
Did you read the part about leftynyc Feb 2014 #9
Yes I did and I fully agree with your comment. Nihil Feb 2014 #10
Agreed leftynyc Feb 2014 #13
Extremely mixed feelings. I don't want to be looting any country, but.... Send it back. Iraq had... marble falls Feb 2014 #4
Great pictures thanks!..nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #16
Send it back? former9thward Feb 2014 #19
Again. The Iraqis have been curating and eshibiting these treasures. Most countries not only .... marble falls Feb 2014 #44
good call these were being kept as intelligence snooping on Jews, not geek tragedy Feb 2014 #6
Do you have any links? My understanding is... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #31
The problem is by INTERNATIONAL TREATY these belong to IRAQ happyslug Feb 2014 #7
International Law ? How Quaint ? warrant46 Feb 2014 #29
We are talking about items of property, not lives happyslug Feb 2014 #46
I absolutely understand your point warrant46 Feb 2014 #48
I hope the vote passes. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #8
There's a complex and murky back story on this starroute Feb 2014 #11
I want to know why the goverment we spent so much to install in Iraq bemildred Feb 2014 #12
Clearly Iraqi records? leftynyc Feb 2014 #14
Clearly Iraqi records. bemildred Feb 2014 #15
I'm sure those Jewish families leftynyc Feb 2014 #17
The next time you sell your home, remember it was stolen from Native Americans. happyslug Feb 2014 #18
Thanks, I really didn't want to wade through all that again. bemildred Feb 2014 #20
So really, every inch of America was Indian "owned"? EX500rider Feb 2014 #21
It sure as heck was not owned by Europeans. bemildred Feb 2014 #23
"sanctimonious fool comes along all angry and offended" EX500rider Feb 2014 #25
Yeah, they pretty much did live everywhere, they lived off the land. bemildred Feb 2014 #26
So everywhere they ever camped is theirs forever? wow.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #55
"It was taken by force and deceit from peoples who had lived there for thousands of years" EX500rider Feb 2014 #27
Sure, Europe's history is largely war and deceit too. So what? bemildred Feb 2014 #32
In general Nomadic tribes have no property rights.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #34
INDIGENOUS AND TRIBAL PEOPLES’ RIGHTS OVER THEIR ANCESTRAL LANDS AND NATURAL RESOURCES bemildred Feb 2014 #37
Was that in effect 200 years ago? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #42
So your neighbors can kill you and take your land but not somebody further away? EX500rider Feb 2014 #43
As I said before, that is all no longer LEGAL under International Law. happyslug Feb 2014 #36
Ely Parker said it best when he told some Native Americans "You have the rights the white man grants happyslug Feb 2014 #30
Yeah, the killed the buffalo to starve them into submissiom. bemildred Feb 2014 #33
I was just pointing out the problem the writer had with returning the property to Iraq happyslug Feb 2014 #24
Indians live in India. U4ikLefty Feb 2014 #47
Really, never heard the term "American Indian" have we? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #51
Yes, it is a person of American heritage who was born in India. U4ikLefty Feb 2014 #52
Right, 'cause if u use the term American Indian u HAVE to be a right winger...lol n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #53
Indigenous peoples of the Americas... EX500rider Feb 2014 #54
Every nation, including Iraq, has laws preventing people from taking cultural artifacts. Xithras Feb 2014 #22
they should return it to the Jewish Families it belonged to JI7 Feb 2014 #35
By law it belongs to Iraq happyslug Feb 2014 #38
from what i understand these were not things given to the Iraqi Govt by these families JI7 Feb 2014 #39
Taking property from your own citizen is PERMITTED under international law happyslug Feb 2014 #45
Maybe they should, sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #41
Regardless of who actually owns this stuff, sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #40
+1. bemildred Feb 2014 #49
We sent blind pigs to Iraq? snooper2 Feb 2014 #50
I hope the Jews who fled have the right of return. Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #56
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