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happyslug

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36. As I said before, that is all no longer LEGAL under International Law.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:06 PM
Feb 2014

It was LEGAL before 1954, thus Germany's borders were changed in 1945. The Russians were permitted to take a lot of German property home to replace property the German Army had destroyed. but all of that is pre 1954. That is the date of the Convention, every country in the world has signed except as follows:

Algeria, Mauritania and Western Sahara in Northwest Africa,
Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, Central Africa Republic in East Africa,
Mozambique, and Zambia is South East Africa,
Republic of Congo, Brazzaville and Namibia in South West Africa.
Nepal and Bhutan in the Himalayas

Four Counties have signed but NOT ratified the treaty:
UK, Philippines, Ireland, and Andorra.

I use "Republic of the Congo, Brazzaville" (pre 1960 French Congo) to differentiate it from the Democratic Republic of the Congo (once called Zaire, pre 1960 the Belgium Congo).

Thus bringing up Lakota is a weak argument. the use of Force to gain new lands was legal back then. It is NO longer legal under International Law and that is the law we have to operate under today.

I brought up Native America lands to show the difference between what countries can do to their own residents and the property of those residents, which includes taking all of their property, and what countries can do when it comes to property of residents of other countries in those other countries. International law does NOT address what a country can do internally to its resident's property, but when it comes to invading a country, International law since 1954 FORBIDS giving that property to anyone but the country that owned it.

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i didn't read the whole article so maybe there might be a good reason JI7 Feb 2014 #1
from the article melm00se Feb 2014 #3
ok i can see why not to give it back JI7 Feb 2014 #5
Here are the more interesting items according to the national archive Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #28
I'd rather that they returned the archeological artifacts that they "liberated" at that time ... Nihil Feb 2014 #2
Did you read the part about leftynyc Feb 2014 #9
Yes I did and I fully agree with your comment. Nihil Feb 2014 #10
Agreed leftynyc Feb 2014 #13
Extremely mixed feelings. I don't want to be looting any country, but.... Send it back. Iraq had... marble falls Feb 2014 #4
Great pictures thanks!..nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #16
Send it back? former9thward Feb 2014 #19
Again. The Iraqis have been curating and eshibiting these treasures. Most countries not only .... marble falls Feb 2014 #44
good call these were being kept as intelligence snooping on Jews, not geek tragedy Feb 2014 #6
Do you have any links? My understanding is... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #31
The problem is by INTERNATIONAL TREATY these belong to IRAQ happyslug Feb 2014 #7
International Law ? How Quaint ? warrant46 Feb 2014 #29
We are talking about items of property, not lives happyslug Feb 2014 #46
I absolutely understand your point warrant46 Feb 2014 #48
I hope the vote passes. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #8
There's a complex and murky back story on this starroute Feb 2014 #11
I want to know why the goverment we spent so much to install in Iraq bemildred Feb 2014 #12
Clearly Iraqi records? leftynyc Feb 2014 #14
Clearly Iraqi records. bemildred Feb 2014 #15
I'm sure those Jewish families leftynyc Feb 2014 #17
The next time you sell your home, remember it was stolen from Native Americans. happyslug Feb 2014 #18
Thanks, I really didn't want to wade through all that again. bemildred Feb 2014 #20
So really, every inch of America was Indian "owned"? EX500rider Feb 2014 #21
It sure as heck was not owned by Europeans. bemildred Feb 2014 #23
"sanctimonious fool comes along all angry and offended" EX500rider Feb 2014 #25
Yeah, they pretty much did live everywhere, they lived off the land. bemildred Feb 2014 #26
So everywhere they ever camped is theirs forever? wow.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #55
"It was taken by force and deceit from peoples who had lived there for thousands of years" EX500rider Feb 2014 #27
Sure, Europe's history is largely war and deceit too. So what? bemildred Feb 2014 #32
In general Nomadic tribes have no property rights.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #34
INDIGENOUS AND TRIBAL PEOPLES’ RIGHTS OVER THEIR ANCESTRAL LANDS AND NATURAL RESOURCES bemildred Feb 2014 #37
Was that in effect 200 years ago? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #42
So your neighbors can kill you and take your land but not somebody further away? EX500rider Feb 2014 #43
As I said before, that is all no longer LEGAL under International Law. happyslug Feb 2014 #36
Ely Parker said it best when he told some Native Americans "You have the rights the white man grants happyslug Feb 2014 #30
Yeah, the killed the buffalo to starve them into submissiom. bemildred Feb 2014 #33
I was just pointing out the problem the writer had with returning the property to Iraq happyslug Feb 2014 #24
Indians live in India. U4ikLefty Feb 2014 #47
Really, never heard the term "American Indian" have we? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #51
Yes, it is a person of American heritage who was born in India. U4ikLefty Feb 2014 #52
Right, 'cause if u use the term American Indian u HAVE to be a right winger...lol n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #53
Indigenous peoples of the Americas... EX500rider Feb 2014 #54
Every nation, including Iraq, has laws preventing people from taking cultural artifacts. Xithras Feb 2014 #22
they should return it to the Jewish Families it belonged to JI7 Feb 2014 #35
By law it belongs to Iraq happyslug Feb 2014 #38
from what i understand these were not things given to the Iraqi Govt by these families JI7 Feb 2014 #39
Taking property from your own citizen is PERMITTED under international law happyslug Feb 2014 #45
Maybe they should, sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #41
Regardless of who actually owns this stuff, sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #40
+1. bemildred Feb 2014 #49
We sent blind pigs to Iraq? snooper2 Feb 2014 #50
I hope the Jews who fled have the right of return. Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #56
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