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EX500rider

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81. StrategyPage has some more on the story:
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 11:41 AM
Feb 2014

"Iran: Talk Big And Avoid Armed Confrontations

The state controlled media is breathlessly following the progress of what it describes as a “destroyer” and “helicopter carrier” traveling to the Atlantic Ocean. Iran describes these two ships as the “27th fleet” and that the two ships will stay out there for three months protecting Iranian merchant ships from pirates. In reality the “destroyer” is a 1,500 ton frigate and the “helicopter carrier” is a 33,000 ton oil tanker modified to have a helicopter landing pad and it sometimes carries three helicopters. The helicopter carrier has also been armed with a 76mm gun and two twin-23mm anti-aircraft guns. The main function of the helicopter carrier is to ensure that the frigate does not run out of fuel in the middle of the ocean. This frigate can travel 9,000 kilometers on internal fuel (at 28 kilometers an hour). In other words it has to refuel every two weeks if it keeps moving while at sea. The 27th fleet has moved south around the southern tip of Africa and towards Venezuela and Cuba where the fleet will recuperate and provide photo ops. The U.S. will be condemned and warned that the Iran Navy is close. This is all for domestic consumption, to reassure Iranians who believe, or want to believe that three decades of sanctions have not reduced their armed forces to impotence. While Iran has the largest armed forces (in terms of personnel) in the region its weapons and equipment are far less capable and for decades its military leaders have been chosen for their loyalty to the religious dictatorship that runs Iran rather than for skill in military matters.

Iran has been unable to buy foreign warships for most of the last 30 years and has never developed the capacity to build modern warships. But Iran has built a commercial ship building industry and that is being used to build obsolete warships (using decade’s old technology, or whatever can be stolen or smuggled in). This stuff is OK for coast guard duties but not for a serious confrontation with the neighbors. Neither the Arabs nor the Iranians have much of a naval tradition, but the Arabs have much better ships and warplanes and sailors nearly as good as the Iranians. Given all that the Iranians prefer to talk big and avoid armed confrontations."

http://strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20140215.aspx

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In winter? warrior1 Feb 2014 #1
Winter?? freemay20 Feb 2014 #4
not all nations have deep water naval fleets. In fact hardly any do. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #19
Sailing north now into the N Atlantic will be winter...n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #45
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #64
You must be a pleasant person to be around. penultimate Feb 2014 #66
How old are you? Ten? nt raccoon Feb 2014 #68
You're calling the wrong person ignoramus and idiot, sked14 Feb 2014 #69
Who's the idiot-read much? They are headed to US waters via the Cape of Good Hope.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #70
You mad bro? FSogol Feb 2014 #72
My guess is ... yup ... In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #73
Some people just need to switch to decaf or was that the Miss SC who warmed us of our tragic map FSogol Feb 2014 #74
Ya got me there. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #76
Here FSogol Feb 2014 #78
Clearly: The problem is a map shortage. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #80
Both nations wasting precious tax dollars. /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #2
Not to mention the dwindling reserves of fossil fuels? indepat Feb 2014 #57
Well, well, well. pangaia Feb 2014 #3
Typical Cold War behavior Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #5
I don't think Iran is in quite the same league as the Soviet Union... truebluegreen Feb 2014 #18
I agree that they are not in the same league as the defunct Soviets. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #21
It strikes me as foolish. Do they seriously think the US would not destroy their fleet and JDPriestly Feb 2014 #30
They are posturing for the home audience. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #41
Naw, the most devastating response would be this: sked14 Feb 2014 #42
Oop, you're right! Much better. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #43
An Iranian Military 'Fleet'?....You're Kidding Right? bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #6
So? NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #7
Around the world, defense contractors smile in unison AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #8
Their entire navy has less firepower... bobclark86 Feb 2014 #9
I don't know that we would sink them if they stray into our waters. razorman Feb 2014 #26
We might simply put them under a sort of arrest. Anyway, we would know everything that is going on JDPriestly Feb 2014 #31
Nah, warnings... iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #33
Here's the inventory of the Iranian Navy: jsr Feb 2014 #10
A handful of destroyers and frigates, plus subs and auxiliary and support craft. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #63
Good luck to them. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #11
Well when the Iranian's sent their "28th Fleet" EX500rider Feb 2014 #12
Hopefully they don't come across any waves sharp_stick Feb 2014 #13
I don't think they were sending a message to the US eggplant Feb 2014 #14
"Shorty over there in North Korea . . . " Brigid Feb 2014 #22
Uh, they suffer so much from sanctions yet spend on a Navy?!1 n/t UTUSN Feb 2014 #15
Why not? We have spent a boatload truebluegreen Feb 2014 #20
Not the smartest move TomClash Feb 2014 #16
This is ridiculous bullshit. nt. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #17
Dumb move on their part. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #23
This is Propaganda, not anything Seriously Military Wolf Frankula Feb 2014 #24
Are they sure they're not speaking of "ships of the desert" n/t albino65 Feb 2014 #25
Can camels swim? Or do they only wade? Loudly Feb 2014 #29
Well, they are filled with Iranian seamen jberryhill Feb 2014 #52
Hee, hee, hee albino65 Feb 2014 #54
And just how BIG are these ships? And how many sailors? bravenak Feb 2014 #27
PSYOPS - don't believe the hype underthematrix Feb 2014 #28
/facepalm n/t iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #32
*snort* nt Codeine Feb 2014 #85
The "fleet" is a destroyer and a helicopter-carrying supply ship. ... spin Feb 2014 #34
I bet we end up having to be the ones that tow them home. bravenak Feb 2014 #59
Of course. (n/t) spin Feb 2014 #60
Anyone betting on when one of their ships breaks down and needs to be towed? nt pediatricmedic Feb 2014 #35
If true, as long as they are in international waters, does it really matter? lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #36
A Maritime Guide For The Iranian Navy As It Enters US Coastal Waters. jayfish Feb 2014 #37
Funny flying rabbit Feb 2014 #40
+1. Looking forward to reading, "How to avoid the Empire State Building." n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #75
What a fine display of jingoism evident in the replies so far. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #38
Please....it's not "jingoism" to realize the Iranian Navy is a joke.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author albino65 Feb 2014 #49
Lighten Up albino65 Feb 2014 #50
the story rafeh1 Feb 2014 #39
You think the Iranian admiral is a plant? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #47
"Feed me Seymour" n/t albino65 Feb 2014 #55
"We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" Oh I get it now. L0oniX Feb 2014 #44
"a number of warships" kentauros Feb 2014 #46
When did the coast of South Africa become U.S. Coastal Waters? 2banon Feb 2014 #51
I'm picturing a dysfunctional McHales Navy type fleet. bearssoapbox Feb 2014 #53
I expect to see the Iranian ships pestered by various right wingers in yachts. hedgehog Feb 2014 #56
Or captured by Somalian pirates? FSogol Feb 2014 #77
I'd like to know more about the ships they're sending. WatermelonRat Feb 2014 #58
They have a few frigates and a few diesel subs from the 60's and 70's. penultimate Feb 2014 #65
They have some diesel-electric subs and some frigates Recursion Feb 2014 #67
Yes Imperialist Dogs!!! DeSwiss Feb 2014 #61
Maybe they've got the ghost ship with the cannibal rats.... KinMd Feb 2014 #62
Iranian Warships! How adorable. FSogol Feb 2014 #71
Ummmmmmm. Sarah hasn't seen any from Alaska, has she? raven mad Feb 2014 #79
StrategyPage has some more on the story: EX500rider Feb 2014 #81
Iran? Or the Duchy of Grand Fenwick? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2014 #82
Iranian Navy rounding the Horn. sked14 Feb 2014 #83
If the Dick were still in power, this would be the US chance to invade Iran. nt raccoon Feb 2014 #84
it's their legal right to do so, I daresay the US government is not trembling nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #86
Not trembling, sked14 Feb 2014 #87
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