Latest Breaking News

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

35. there have been substantial gains for the poor in Venezuela.

Reply to sked14 (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:09 PM

Feb 2014

the problem is that they have not transitioned to a more stable model.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

157 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Maduro expels 3 US officials amid protest tensions [View all] Zorro Feb 2014 OP

No we would not try to overthrow a south American country's elected president would we? zeemike Feb 2014 #1

Are you suggesting the Obama administration is attempting to overthrow the Venezuelan government? Zorro Feb 2014 #2

Read it any way you want. zeemike Feb 2014 #3

The oil companies are getting VZ oil hack89 Feb 2014 #11

But having to pay them for it. zeemike Feb 2014 #21

Chavez, Cabello, Rangel are those few elite families Zorro Feb 2014 #22

Do you have any proof of that? zeemike Feb 2014 #24

Curiously Zorro Feb 2014 #25

Oil companies care only about stock prices and revenue hack89 Feb 2014 #26

But where does the money go that they pay for the oil? zeemike Feb 2014 #27

Why would oil companies care about a handful of rich Venezuelans? hack89 Feb 2014 #28

Because they make more money when they are in control. zeemike Feb 2014 #34

Every year oil companies make record profits hack89 Feb 2014 #38

Well policies towed Latin America have not changed. zeemike Feb 2014 #44

There are always coups in SA hack89 Feb 2014 #49

"There are always coups in SA" = lol. Yes, just natural occurrences, like the weather. El_Johns Feb 2014 #123

"Because they make more money when they are in control." EX500rider Feb 2014 #139

Projects that help the people? sked14 Feb 2014 #30

And what was it like before Chavez? zeemike Feb 2014 #31

And I suppose it's gotten better economically with Chavez/Maduro? sked14 Feb 2014 #33

there have been substantial gains for the poor in Venezuela. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #35

Exactly, and the corruption of the Chavez/Maduro govt. sked14 Feb 2014 #37

i would give it more credence if there were any rational purpose for the US geek tragedy Feb 2014 #40

+100. sked14 Feb 2014 #43

At the same time there were substantial gains all over Latin America. Not just Venz. n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #140

Well I guess for the majority it has. zeemike Feb 2014 #39

It got better in the short run for the poor, sked14 Feb 2014 #42

You seem to know a lot about what is going on there zeemike Feb 2014 #46

I've spent alot of time in Venezuela, sked14 Feb 2014 #48

Venezuela was always one of the more developed countries in South America, not sure anymore Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #50

There are shortages because of capital strike. duh. El_Johns Feb 2014 #124

Who says I'm supporting the overthrow of VN govt? sked14 Feb 2014 #135

129 countries export oil.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #32

"But having to pay them for it." EX500rider Feb 2014 #29

the US refines much of Ven's oil and, in fact, sells gasoline back to them Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #19

And Cuba gets some of it too. zeemike Feb 2014 #23

"Which pisses them off to no end" EX500rider Feb 2014 #36

Then is should be easy to normalize our relationship with Cuba. zeemike Feb 2014 #105

"Then is should be easy to normalize our relationship with Cuba" EX500rider Feb 2014 #138

What are you going on about? EX500rider Feb 2014 #142

Venezuelan's pay like $5 million a day for those doctors. joshcryer Feb 2014 #96

And they pay in oil. zeemike Feb 2014 #106

Do the math. joshcryer Feb 2014 #116

Well the title of that article "The Logic of Extremism" should speak for itself. zeemike Feb 2014 #119

They're paying way above the going rate. joshcryer Feb 2014 #120

so? China gets alot more of it as repayment for loans n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #137

Why, that would be impossible! I'm surprised at you, Zorro, for suggesting such an impossibility. delrem Feb 2014 #4

I just want to add that delrem Feb 2014 #5

Sounds like you agree with Manuro's accusations Zorro Feb 2014 #6

Don't be insane! Where in my response did I indicate such a thing! delrem Feb 2014 #7

Is Mexico in any danger of us overthrowing them? EX500rider Feb 2014 #41

Thank you for asking that question. delrem Feb 2014 #71

Wow, most tortured metaphor ever.. lol EX500rider Feb 2014 #72

No, it isn't. delrem Feb 2014 #73

I say the US is innocent of currently trying to overthrow Venz for their oil.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #74

On the contrary! You made a puerile example of Mexico, delrem Feb 2014 #78

Are you saying we did try to overthrow Mexico since 1938? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #85

fuckidallanyway - I obviously hit a certain limit. delrem Feb 2014 #87

"No, it isn't." EX500rider Feb 2014 #75

You're having a problem, EX500rider? delrem Feb 2014 #80

Oh gosh im gonna cry now...lol Not having any problem, thxs for asking though.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #84

Well, you're capable of typing "lol", at any rate. delrem Feb 2014 #91

Brilliant deduction. n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #97

That wasn't a "deduction", EX500rider. You don't understand the meaning of the term. nt delrem Feb 2014 #100

You were brilliantly able to deduce that i can in fact type "lol"...very good!!! n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #103

You don't understand the meaning of "deduction", EX500rider. That's a fact. nt. delrem Feb 2014 #104

Pretty much all you have left, huh delrem, sked14 Feb 2014 #107

Are you actually claiming that EX500rider uses the term 'deduction' correctly? delrem Feb 2014 #109

No, I'm talking about your falsehoods about me not supporting VN democracy sked14 Feb 2014 #112

Oh. As I said, I don't require "links" to this same discussion! delrem Feb 2014 #113

I read that as "I don't require "links" to this same discussion" sked14 Feb 2014 #115

you poor thing! delrem Feb 2014 #117

Nope. sked14 Feb 2014 #118

Pretty sure you just wanna argue about anything...I deducted that!! You better get some rest.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #108

Well, you and sked certainly dug yourself a nice deep trench. delrem Feb 2014 #110

In your opinion that is...I bet we feel the opposite has happened. n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #111

We dug a deep trench? sked14 Feb 2014 #114

You might wanna drink less coffee and look up "tongue in cheek" n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #143

Good lord, sked14 Feb 2014 #88

I am? You really are reaching, y'know, for some kind of sense. nt delrem Feb 2014 #89

I'm reaching? sked14 Feb 2014 #93

In this case, yeah, the US is innocent of trying to foment an overthrow of the sked14 Feb 2014 #77

Oh c'mon, you guys are spinning in space, totally out of control. delrem Feb 2014 #79

Really? sked14 Feb 2014 #81

"VN is a powder keg waiting for a match to start the explosion" delrem Feb 2014 #82

Nice misinterpertation of my words, which weren't my words, they're the words of my sked14 Feb 2014 #83

Or really, you now defend Venezuelan democracy. How interesting. delrem Feb 2014 #92

How interesting!! sked14 Feb 2014 #94

I don't have to "link", sked14. delrem Feb 2014 #95

It's not that you don't have to "link" sked14 Feb 2014 #101

All this and you have yet to provide one scintella of evidence that the current unrest sked14 Feb 2014 #90

"No, it isn't" EX500rider Feb 2014 #102

So the Koch brothers and US government are the same thing to you for some reason? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #76

Did I say that? I think you have a problem, EX500rider, in dealing with the meaning of sentences. delrem Feb 2014 #86

Maybe......or just maybe you make everything you say VERY unclear. n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #98

You show that you have no clue of the current situation in Venezuela Perseus Feb 2014 #12

Well I did one better...I went to the Latin America forum here. zeemike Feb 2014 #14

Sure! And the students were also disguised in anti-riot police shooting at themselves ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #17

Are the students the children of the elite and wealthy who would benefit from a coup? zeemike Feb 2014 #20

So every college student in Venz comes from the "Elite"? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #45

Well I don't know, are they? zeemike Feb 2014 #47

Most of the "Elite" left in Venz are the Chavista's. EX500rider Feb 2014 #51

So who then is this opposition? zeemike Feb 2014 #53

Or ordinary citizens fed up with the corruption by the Maduro regime and failing economy sked14 Feb 2014 #54

You mean ordinary citizens like these guys? zeemike Feb 2014 #56

LOL!!! sked14 Feb 2014 #59

Well I guess the state TV made that up then. zeemike Feb 2014 #63

Oh baloney. Look who's leading the thing. El_Johns Feb 2014 #125

How about people who want toilet paper and electricity and food on the shelves? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #55

Oh I am sure the elite have no problem getting toilet paper. zeemike Feb 2014 #57

I don't recall Enron causing shortages of basic necessities at the store.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #58

Well tell that to California when they were gouged for electricity zeemike Feb 2014 #61

"I have personal knowledge that the oil shortage in the 70s was manufactured" EX500rider Feb 2014 #62

No it was not called OPEC...that was the straw man excuse for it. zeemike Feb 2014 #64

No, it was OPEC EX500rider Feb 2014 #66

And that is the official story zeemike Feb 2014 #69

The offical story? EX500rider Feb 2014 #145

No the official story was that we were out of oil zeemike Feb 2014 #150

one point well worth reconsidering reddread Feb 2014 #65

If what were easier to do? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #67

Funny, sked14 Feb 2014 #60

You must have missed the power outages & increased prices, then. El_Johns Feb 2014 #126

Not where I live sked14 Feb 2014 #136

"unless you have some facts I am not aware of" EX500rider Feb 2014 #144

So 70% are from high income then. zeemike Feb 2014 #153

No I have no idea how many are from high income.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #154

And Honduras has one twice that at 91.6 zeemike Feb 2014 #156

el Salvador and Belize are not in South America n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #157

de ja vu: US again attempts Coup d'etat brianct Feb 2014 #8

When Obama has Karl Rove or Roger Ailes thrown in jail, then the analogy would be apt. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #9

Because if Maduro said it, then of course its true! 7962 Feb 2014 #10

We are attempting a coup? what proof do you have of that? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #15

Proof? sked14 Feb 2014 #16

1st we aren't a "enemy foreign govt" but Venezuela's largest export AND import partner.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #146

He will declare a state of emergency soon hack89 Feb 2014 #13

Can you say 1%? "Leopoldo Lopez Mendoza comes from one of Venezuela’s wealthiest families Zorra Feb 2014 #18

Well there is no confusing you with Zorro. zeemike Feb 2014 #52

Thanks. I'm glad of that because we seem to be polar opposites ideologically, Zorra Feb 2014 #70

Are you alleging that Lopez started these protests? joshcryer Feb 2014 #99

I am only able to make out a few words, but the smaller woman is crying, then she cries, and I am. freshwest Feb 2014 #121

Around 50 die each day to violence. joshcryer Feb 2014 #122

Yet you're not weeping crocodile tears for Honduras, with the world's highest murder rate... El_Johns Feb 2014 #127

Classic deflection. joshcryer Feb 2014 #129

Honduras' per capita murder rate is 91.6. Venezuela's is 45.1, in the same league as Jamaica El_Johns Feb 2014 #132

I said overall, not per 100k. joshcryer Feb 2014 #134

Sounds like there is a problem with free speech. treestar Feb 2014 #68

The important universities are bastions of the right, and they say whatever they like there. El_Johns Feb 2014 #128

University education is free in Venezuela. joshcryer Feb 2014 #130

Yet that's how it pans out. El_Johns Feb 2014 #131

There's no cite for that. Venezuela places 2nd highest in enrollment: joshcryer Feb 2014 #133

Not per the actual UNESCO data. El_Johns Feb 2014 #141

That data is almost a decade old or more. joshcryer Feb 2014 #147

2007 is not "more than a decade old". The article you linked cited unesco. I linked the UNESCO El_Johns Feb 2014 #148

2007 is almost a decade. 1998 is more than a decade. joshcryer Feb 2014 #149

The UNESCO #s = 2007. Not more than a decade. El_Johns Feb 2014 #151

Right. That's what I said. Almost a decade. joshcryer Feb 2014 #152

8 shot in Valencia by chavista paramilitaries (Spanish) Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #155