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Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:38 AM Feb 2014

UK Court: David Miranda Detention Legal Under Terrorism Law [View all]

Source: The Intercept

UK Court: David Miranda Detention Legal Under Terrorism Law

By Ryan Devereaux

19 Feb 2014, 5:23 AM EST

A British lower court has ruled that London police acted lawfully in employing an anti-terror statute to detain and interrogate David Miranda for nearly nine hours at Heathrow Airport last summer, even while recognizing that the detention was “an indirect interference with press freedom.”

In a decision released Wednesday morning Lord Justice John Laws, Mr Justice Duncan Ouseley and Mr Justice Peter Openshaw said that while Miranda’s detention was “an indirect interference with press freedom” it was justified and legitimate due to “very pressing” issues of national security.

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After the police’s justification was made public in November, leading UK human rights groups and a member of the British parliament expressed outrage, saying it appeared baseless and threatened to have damaging consequences for investigative journalism, the Guardian reported .

Greenwald told The Intercept the UK has the unique distinction of being the only foreign government that has equated the NSA coverage he and Poitras are responsible for to terrorism.

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“We made clear long ago that we would not ever be deterred in any way in reporting aggressively on these documents by this kind of thuggish behavior from the British government, and we have been and will continue to be very true to our word,” Greenwald added. “It is ironic that as the world rightfully condemns the Egyptian military regime for imprisoning Al Jazeera journalists on the ground that their journalism is a form of ‘terrorism’, the UK Government yet again shows the repressive company it keeps by doing the same.”

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/miranda-v-sofshd.pdf

Read more: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/02/19/uk-court-david-miranda-detention-legal-terrorism-law



Greenwald's Response:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/19/uks-equating-journalism-terrorism-designed-conceal-gchq

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Equating journalism with terrorism has a long and storied tradition. Indeed, as Jonathan Schwarz has documented, the U.S. Government has frequently denounced nations for doing exactly this. Just last April, Under Secretary of State Tara Sonenshine dramatically informed the public that many repressive, terrible nations actually “misuse terrorism laws to prosecute and imprison journalists.” When visiting Ethiopia in 2012, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns publicly disclosed that in meetings with that nation’s officials, the United States “express[ed] our concern that the application of anti-terrorism laws can sometimes undermine freedom of expression and independent media.” The same year, the State Department reported that Burundi was prosecuting a journalist under terrorism laws.

It should surprise nobody that the U.K. is not merely included in, but is one of the leaders of, this group of nations which regularly wages war on basic press freedoms. In the 1970s, British journalist Duncan Campbell was criminally prosecuted for the crime of reporting on the mere existence of the GCHQ, while fellow journalist Mark Hosenball, now of Reuters, was forced to leave the country. The monarchy has no constitutional guarantee of a free press. The UK government routinely threatens newspapers with all sorts of sanctions for national security reporting it dislikes. Its Official State Secrets Act makes it incredibly easy to prosecute journalists and others for disclosing anything which political officials want to keep secret. For that reason, it was able to force the Guardian to destroy its own computers containing Snowden material precisely: because the paper’s editors knew that British courts would slavishly defer to any requests made by the GCHQ to shut down the paper’s reporting.
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We are all "terrorists" now. It is the MIC that 'hates our freedoms' and revels in secrecy, IMHO. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #1
As are most governments. merrily Feb 2014 #2
GG must be furious...the decision rips him apart in a manner that leaves no doubt msanthrope Feb 2014 #3
I have to get to a computer...not a smartphone, but this is an epic msanthrope Feb 2014 #4
Really? You aren't embarrassed by your gushing support of the surveillance state muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #5
Mr. Greenwald chose the venue of the courts, and I am pleased that his Libertarian msanthrope Feb 2014 #7
Your gleeful hatred of liberty and journalism is noted muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #8
Libertarianism, yes. And having the addresses and names of officers in the field is a reason msanthrope Feb 2014 #10
What you are attacking is liberty; the freedom of the press, and freedom of movement muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #13
What is your Liberty interest in stolen property? Greenwald could have published from msanthrope Feb 2014 #14
The documents are evidence of wrong-doing by my government, and yours muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #17
Luke Harding??? The guy Greenwald is pissed off at for writing a Snowden book? msanthrope Feb 2014 #18
Yeah, Luke Harding - you don't have to be Greenwald's best friend to oppose this ruling muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #19
Nonsense--they had no court presence, at all. And being an interested party is the msanthrope Feb 2014 #20
Let an English law group explain it to you: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #22
You need to read more than one paragraph...under Paragraph 11, the Guardian clearly could have msanthrope Feb 2014 #23
You want to know why Greenwald is complaining that his spouse was detained and threatened muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #24
Look..you and I have a differing opinion on how the law would apply. I merely msanthrope Feb 2014 #26
What Greenwald says about the Guardian - from the final link in the OP: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #30
Please..this is Glenn..who thinks the Guardian "demonized" Assange.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #32
The 'cite' you asked for would be irrelevant muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #36
No...the cite I asked for pretty much demolishes the whinging. Which is why you won't provide it. msanthrope Feb 2014 #40
I'm sick to death of this moronic argument leftynyc Feb 2014 #31
I thank you. I've not written a word supporting illegal surveillance, but I'm not hooking my star t msanthrope Feb 2014 #33
You don't have to write the actual words to do it. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #53
msanthrope is gleeful that the state can confiscate personal possessions muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #34
If the charge were only against one poster leftynyc Feb 2014 #45
Ridiculous. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #54
Here, Here. +10,000 nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #64
This is not about 'libertarianism' as usually defined LeftishBrit Feb 2014 #41
Um no...I think Greenwald's "constitutional duties" argument is pure American libertarian. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #43
Now it's a small "L?" Hissyspit Feb 2014 #56
Big L....autofill. And no refutation, huh?? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #57
You can always re-edit auto fill errors. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #58
Well, some of us work for a living...nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #59
He is not a Libertarian. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #25
Indeed..his argument regarding constitutional duty is purely Libertarian. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #28
Hunh? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #6
And Justices Ouseley and Openshaw???? You may not like Judge Laws, but what about the rest? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #11
The same legal rationale the Egyptian military junta is using to detain Al Jazeera journalists riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #9
David Miranda wasn't a journalist...he was a courier in possession of stolen documents. Which the msanthrope Feb 2014 #12
I'd argue that detention of journalists' family members is just as bad riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #15
There really isn't a liberty interest in stolen property you were going to use for a book. msanthrope Feb 2014 #16
I'm not going to re-hash what muriel volestrangler has already posted to rebut your points riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #27
I'm back on a smartphone that won't allow me to excerpt....some of us work for a living.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #29
Oh you own your position, I'm not doing your work for you. riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #37
Here you go... msanthrope Feb 2014 #42
and what kind of lowlife would put their family member in such a spot? Whisp Feb 2014 #35
LOL, that's all ya got? Back to slamming the source with zero comment on the issue? riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #38
GG is a scammer making money off of stolen classified files. Whisp Feb 2014 #39
Even if true Hissyspit Feb 2014 #52
Miranda did it of his own free well and volition. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #51
The key issue regarding Snowden/Greenwald, Manning, Assange et al. is this: Maedhros Feb 2014 #21
Summary of the whole debate in a nutshell!!! :-) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #44
Manning's automated download of 750K file, or Snowden's automated download of 1.7 million, struggle4progress Feb 2014 #48
As I mentioned in my post, Maedhros Feb 2014 #50
Hunh? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #55
It doesn't seem a particularly tricky point to me but YMMV struggle4progress Feb 2014 #60
I comprehend it completely. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #61
"I had no time to look at the documents I'm releasing but I'm sure they're evidence of a crime" struggle4progress Feb 2014 #62
This really sucks for people who internationally traffic in stolen classified documents! struggle4progress Feb 2014 #46
That's hardly the whole issue. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #47
Something like that seems to have been the issue before the court struggle4progress Feb 2014 #49
Upon further review Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #63
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