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happyslug

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23. So age 23 is NOT good enough, what should be the cut off?
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 06:53 PM
Mar 2012

The actual proposed law:
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/A5488-2011

In most states the Statute of Limitations for Civil Actions is generally Four years, in New York State it appears to be Five years. Given that the Statute of Limitations does NOT start to run till a Child turns 18, that means that a Victim can sue till he or she turns 23 years of age at the present time. The debate should this be extended to age 28?

The problems with extending the Statute of Limitations for such Civil Suits are immense. Remember, most Child abuse occur within families (Something like 90%) do we extend the statute of limitation in such cases to 10 years after the child turns 18? and will Lawyers take such cases were it is hard to collect on any judgement entered against such family member?

Yes, no one is denying the rights of someone age up to 23, to file a lawsuits, that is the present law. The issue is how far beyound 22 should the law permit someone to wait before filing a lawsuit? Remember the Statute of Limitation only starts to run when the child turns 18, even if it incurred 18 years before. Thus a victim must file a lawsuit by the time he turns 23.

Please note We are NOT talking of CRIMINAL actions, but Civil Actions, i.e. lawsuits. The Act does extent Criminal Statute of Limitation to forever, but that is NOT an issue. No one wants to protect the person who actually did the crime, the issue is when should that person's supervisors be held for the actions of the prepetrators?

The Bishop makes a point, while the perpetrators are named in such lawsuits, no one is looking at them for payment, the Church is being ask to PAY for these acts, even while the perpetrators walks free. How is that Justice?? Now, technically the Church is being held for its failure to control its own employee on its own property (There is a Pennsylvania Case where a then 12 to 14 years agree to met a priest at a Motel, the court ruled that was OUTSIDE the employer-Employee relationship and struck down the judgement against the Catholic Church) but how long can a victim be permitted to sue such employers for the actions of their employees?

Please note, if the organization was a Public School, the Public School is NOT liable for the act of the perpetrators at all, even if they do MORE then what any of the Catholic Bishops did. Why? Sovereign Immunity. You can NOT sue the State for the Actions of its Agents WITHOUT permission of the State. Thus if a School Board covers up for a Teacher (And there have been a lot of such cases) when the cover up is found out, the only person the Victim can sue is the Teacher, maybe the principal but NOT the School. Worse if the Teacher and/or Principal is married, it becomes almost impossible to collect on such Judgement do to the fact you can NOT take marital property for the debt of one spouse. i.e in such lawsuits no one is looking at the perpetrators to pay up, they are looking at the perpetrators' employer to pay up on the legal grounds that a employer is liable for the acts of an employee when such acts are done as part of the employee's employment by the employer.

The reason we have NOT heard of similar problems in the Public School System is lawyers will NOT take such cases. Lawyers want paid, and if you sue a Public School system for some cover up you will LOSE against the School, you may win against the teacher and maybe even the Principal, but NOT against the School. Given that most such principals and teacher either do NOT have much money OR are married, it becomes almost impossible to collect on such judgments, thus most lawyers will take them.

The reason we hear of the lawsuits against the Catholic Church is lawyers will take such cases for Judgement against the Catholic Church are permitted AND the Church has assets to pay such Judgments (unlike the lawsuits against day care centers that were popular in the early 1990s. very popular for a few years till the Lawyers found out such Daycare centers had no assets and thus no way to pay the Judgments).

Would it NOT be "FAIR" to permit such lawsuits against Public School where similar incidents occurred? It is NOT even being suggested for the State knows it will have to foot the bill for such lawsuits and does NOT want to pay.

This brings me to the Center of this debate, Where do we draw the line as to WHEN someone can sue in a pedophile case? Furthermore should ANY AND ALL employers of such employees be liable i.e. permit people to collect from Public Schools? The State will gladly extend the Statute of Limitations for the State knows it will NOT have to pay (For it is NOT paying now) but should it? and should the State also permit recovery from School Boards that permit such actions? A debate that is NOT occurring for no one wants they taxes to go up to pay for such actions in the Public School System (I would go into the move to private Schools to replace public schools, but that move is to new for such cases to hit the parents let alone the papers).

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Well if the church Politicalboi Mar 2012 #1
And let the Ctholic Church start paying taxes. It serves as a poltiical truedelphi Mar 2012 #21
I whole heartedly agree with you. olegramps Mar 2012 #44
Very good points that you bring up. And I also wonder truedelphi Mar 2012 #53
"devastating for the life of the church"... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #2
It could result in half of their employees in jail. jerseyjack Mar 2012 #29
Well, now we know that the "life of the church" is saras Mar 2012 #42
Your church sexually victimized boys and girls - now you need closeupready Mar 2012 #3
They should have worried about that BEFORE LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #4
I have as much sympathy for Dolan as he appears to hedgehog Mar 2012 #5
Hmm its only a 5 year increase so I dont buy that its aimed at the church, if that was the case the cstanleytech Mar 2012 #6
No, the law singles out pedophiles, not an organization. Can't Dolan see the difference? freshwest Mar 2012 #7
The Cardinal is lying, to save himself power and prestige, and his church money muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #49
He's really making a fool of himself, then. And those who follow him. freshwest Mar 2012 #51
"Unjust" to the machinery that would protect pedophiles??? nt msanthrope Mar 2012 #8
Think of it as an incentive to not repeat history.... JHB Mar 2012 #9
The Catholic Church is land poor. PDJane Mar 2012 #10
The amount of damage they've done goes far and wide Clouseau2 Mar 2012 #35
"The perpetrators don't suffer" -- and whose fault is that? Many people's fault, but certainly the Brickbat Mar 2012 #11
The Church just spent over $57 million to buy the Crystal Cathedral. snagglepuss Mar 2012 #12
Is that the one in California? midnight Mar 2012 #14
Yes. It was the Hour of Power church. snagglepuss Mar 2012 #16
There goes the impoverished church argument, huh? freshwest Mar 2012 #17
A couple of points. Igel Mar 2012 #40
Protecting Pedophiles And Forcing Pregnancy On Women Are the Sole Aims Of Catholicism Today The Magistrate Mar 2012 #13
Dolan ain't too bright ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2012 #15
Let me be CLEAR about something Catholic Clergymen: GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #18
And the Church is quite happy to condemn an individual woman who seeks an abortion, truedelphi Mar 2012 #25
WHAT? MsPithy Mar 2012 #19
Amen. wellstone dem Mar 2012 #31
They could pray that safeinOhio Mar 2012 #20
There is a special place in hell for those who sexually abuse children and those who enable libinnyandia Mar 2012 #22
So age 23 is NOT good enough, what should be the cut off? happyslug Mar 2012 #23
To Cut Through The Squid's Ink, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #27
By the same Logic when two Milwaukee Police officers turn over to Dahmer one his victims? happyslug Mar 2012 #48
More Squid's Ink, Sir, Spiced With Waving A Homosexual 'Red Shirt' The Magistrate Mar 2012 #52
Why it should be extended - Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #46
Don't forget that Dolan sees himself as having a great chance to be il papa HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #24
Sounds like a confession. Kalidurga Mar 2012 #26
they're more concerned with keeping the cash cow flowing Skittles Mar 2012 #28
Disgraceful and disgusting. jerseyjack Mar 2012 #30
"devastating for the life of the church," MsPithy Mar 2012 #32
The Bishops and Cardinals know there is a good chance Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #33
The unjust burden is put on the people nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #34
Isn't his statement a de facto admission of guilt? Orrex Mar 2012 #36
This law would be... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #37
Dolan is on incredibly mentally ill person. The VICTIMS are the SUFFERERS. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #38
Uh yeah Aerows Mar 2012 #39
Wow fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #41
As my father would say... DaDeacon Mar 2012 #43
I can't even write on here what I would say to this man's face. nt Marrah_G Mar 2012 #45
Fuck that cult of child-buggerers... truebrit71 Mar 2012 #47
The RCC can eat shit and die. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #50
The church protected the guilty for years. Solly Mack Mar 2012 #54
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