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BelgianMadCow

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31. You have spent considerable energy in putting that into words very well.

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:10 PM

Feb 2014

I think exactly the same. It may have helped that I just read Failed States by Noam Chomsky - which lays out the case against the truthfulness of "spreading democracy and freedom" as the driver of US foreign policy with great historical detail.

But what really gets to the heart of it and me is "The well being of the actual people in that country is irrelevant." The EU pays lip service to democracy, but apparently it's a-ok to throw 40 % of Ukraine under the bus. Does not compute.

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Ukraine: Gunmen seize Crimea government buildings [View all] Recursion Feb 2014 OP

Secession can only be a bloody affair. joshcryer Feb 2014 #1

Or agents provocateurs from one of any number of groups... Recursion Feb 2014 #2

Fair enough. joshcryer Feb 2014 #4

Not quite sure that follows dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #5

A prelude to Russian troops moving in cosmicone Feb 2014 #3

mother of all Greeces in terms of liabilities dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #6

Ukraine warns Russia against 'aggression' in Crimea dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #7

"Don't you attack me" says a rabbit to the wolf. n/t cosmicone Feb 2014 #8

I don't think the wolf is too worried about the rabbit's protestations or fighting ability. pampango Feb 2014 #13

A few more details . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #9

All very worrying.... T_i_B Feb 2014 #10

Yes, I have to agree. another_liberal Feb 2014 #11

Wondering if the UN could have a role to play here? T_i_B Feb 2014 #12

I don't know that rule by fascists TBF Feb 2014 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Feb 2014 #16

My earlier reply was inaccurate . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #17

Svoboda does not run the government. Ukrainains need to keep them marginalized but the far-right is pampango Feb 2014 #20

Yes, the UN should step in . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #15

UN is powerless because Russia will veto any resolution. cosmicone Feb 2014 #18

I hope you are wrong about Russia. another_liberal Feb 2014 #19

If Russia wants UN approval for an intervention in a foreign country, it would not veto its own pampango Feb 2014 #22

The history of Crimea isn't exactly Ukrainian. go west young man Feb 2014 #23

Nor is the history of Alaska exactly American. pampango Feb 2014 #25

The fact that they are demanding allegiance to Russia and not simply secession for East Ukraine.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #21

Crimea was actually part of Russia until 1954 Xithras Feb 2014 #30

Actually it was its own SSR Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #36

The Tartars are what, 10% of the population? Xithras Feb 2014 #38

UKRAINE CRISIS: Crimean parliament seeks referendum on enhanced powers for province dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #24

I believe the technical diplomatic term for this is alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #26

Reading the comments at the Guardian article about the same subject is highly enlightening BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #27

It's because the movement is more "anti-Putin" than "pro-Ukraine". Xithras Feb 2014 #29

You have spent considerable energy in putting that into words very well. BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #31

Lameness personified dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #37

Ukraine: Sebastapol installs pro-Russian mayor as seperatism fears grow. Xithras Feb 2014 #28

What the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Right wants is to reconquer Europe. Coyotl Feb 2014 #32

I wish this was a joke . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #34

Scary stuff Marrah_G Feb 2014 #39

The Crimean Parliament has voted to hold a referendum on Independence from Ukraine. another_liberal Feb 2014 #33

I doubt that Russia really wants to establish a precedent that ethnic majorities in certain regions pampango Feb 2014 #35