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gbscar

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19. They do descend from the AUC and they share a percentage of the same personnel
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:20 PM
Feb 2014

But the situation has been complicated, in many ways, since even the former AUC was never a monolithic entity. It was an umbrella alliance of drug lords and other parties, with connections to the Colombian military and, by extension, yes, with the U.S. government, that tried to present themselves as having a central command as well as an unified political project.

Yet the demobilization process, while definitely never complete and partial, did lead to more than just a "renaming" in practice if you actually do read up on various reports that not only chronicle their continuing human rights abuses but also what has happened in the places where they turned against one another. There has been in-fighting and splitting up of the different factions.

In some areas it's true nothing has changed, as you have pointed out, but in others things did vary. Colombia has room for multiple realities in a large and diverse country, not just one vague generalization or single narrative that is applicable to every single part of it.

The majority of the old paramilitary leaders have been extradited to the United States as part of a process that they themselves considered to be a betrayal. The subordinates and the ones remaining behind then engaged in a struggle for power and did not even attempt to create any sort of overarching structure as a result.

Then you also have the fact that the parapolitics scandal has resulted in several of their former allies being jailed, killed or otherwise turning against their previous allegiances. Don't you think that has an effect?

The new groups obviously include among them those that never demobilized, but to say that there is no difference is simplistic.



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oh...Well that's a relief! Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #1
Are these the paramilitaries supported by the US? /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #2
Sounds like these paramiltaries might be better supported by Putin. Times change. pampango Feb 2014 #4
Times change but I believe the US has been supporting the right in this confilct Ash_F Feb 2014 #5
That's a very simplistic way to put it, since this isn't a monolithic "right vs. left" affair. gbscar Feb 2014 #7
Are you talking about Columbia? /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #8
Yes, I am talking about Colombia. I wouldn't be replying otherwise. n/t gbscar Feb 2014 #9
The US has been supporting these groups Ash_F Feb 2014 #10
That's still rather simplistic. The U.S. has supported allies of the predecessors of said groups. gbscar Feb 2014 #14
Oh well that's ok then Ash_F Feb 2014 #16
I hope you didn't stop reading there, but it's your choice. n/t gbscar Feb 2014 #24
Priceless! So completely the way they operated. Congenital liars, all. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #18
tell that to the paramilitaries being discussed in this story Enrique Feb 2014 #15
I'd certainly tell them that, if it would make any difference. gbscar Feb 2014 #22
These paramilitaries are former members of the AUC, which allegedly demobilized, Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #11
Thanks. USGov does some sick stuff for the love of money. Ash_F Feb 2014 #12
They do descend from the AUC and they share a percentage of the same personnel gbscar Feb 2014 #19
Bingo. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #20
Gotta have conflicts to use as a justification to butt into other countries, Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #26
Charming. n/t Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #3
Because murder is of course justified in cases of communistic homosexuality. truthisfreedom Feb 2014 #6
If this group had to choose, it will go after peaceful communists every time. happyslug Feb 2014 #13
Just as the US used to claim it intended to wipe out all the "commies" Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #17
The Reagan narrative was a piece of crap, but painting the exact opposite picture is little better gbscar Feb 2014 #21
Sadly, there have been homosexuals who were murdered without being "communist" n/t gbscar Feb 2014 #23
But the point I was mking, is these people see Commies as their REAL ENEMY happyslug Feb 2014 #25
Sounds like a press release from the G O P blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #27
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