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JDPriestly

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20. Have you ever read about Napoleon in Russia?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:24 PM
Feb 2014

Here's your opportunity:

The French advance toward Kaluga was checked by a Russian corps. Napoleon tried once more to engage the Russian army for a decisive action at the Battle of Maloyaroslavets. Despite holding a superior position, the Russians retreated following a sharp engagement, confirming that the Russians would not commit themselves to a pitched battle.[14] His troops exhausted, with few rations, no winter clothing, and his remaining horses in poor condition, Napoleon was forced to retreat. He hoped to reach supplies at Smolensk and later at Vilnius. In the weeks that followed the Grande Armée starved and suffered from the onset of the Russian Winter. Lack of food and fodder for the horses, hypothermia from the bitter cold and persistent attacks upon isolated troops from Russian peasants and Cossacks led to great losses in men, and a general loss of discipline and cohesion in the army. When the remnants of Napoleon's army crossed the Berezina River in November, only 27,000 fit soldiers remained; the Grand Armée had lost some 380,000 men dead and 100,000 captured.[15] Following the crossing of the Beresina Napoleon left the army, after much urging from his advisors and with the unanimous approval of his Marshals.[16] He returned to Paris by carriage and sledge to protect his position as Emperor and to raise more forces to resist the advancing Russians. The campaign effectively ended on 14 December 1812, not quite six months from its outset, with the last French troops leaving Russian soil.

The campaign was the decisive turning point in the Napoleonic Wars.[1] The reputation of Napoleon was severely shaken, and French hegemony in Europe was dramatically weakened. The Grande Armée, made up of French and allied invasion forces, was reduced to a fraction of its initial strength. These events triggered a major shift in European politics. France's ally Prussia, soon followed by Austria, broke their alliance with France and switched camps. This triggered the War of the Sixth Coalition.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia

About Russia in WWI?

Russia fought with Britain, France and us, and had a revolution.

Well, how about the outcome of Hitler's campaign in Russia?

The Soviets repulsed the important German strategic southern campaign and, although 2.5 million Soviet casualties were suffered in that effort, it permitted to Soviets to take the offensive for most of the rest of the war on the Eastern Front.[77]

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The whole of the Soviet Union become dedicated to the war effort. The population of the Soviet Union was probably better prepared than any other nation involved in the fighting of World War II to endure the material hardships of the war. This is primarily because the Soviets were so used to shortages and coping with economic crisis in the past, especially during wartime—World War I brought similar restrictions on food. Still, conditions were severe. World War II was especially devastating to citizens of the USSR because it was fought on Soviet territory and caused massive destruction. In Leningrad, under German siege, over a million people died of starvation and disease. Many factory workers were teenagers, women and old people. The government implemented rationing in 1941 and first applied it to bread, flour, cereal, pasta, butter, margarine, vegetable oil, meat, fish, sugar, and confectionary all across the country. The rations remained largely stable in other places during the war. Additional rations were often so expensive that they could not add substantially to a citizen’s food supply unless that person was especially well-paid. Peasants received no rations and had to make do with local resources they farmed themselves. Most rural peasants struggled and lived in unbearable poverty but others sold any surplus they had at a high price and a few became rouble millionaires until a currency reform two years after the end of the war wiped out their wealth.[157]

Despite harsh conditions, the war led to a spike in Soviet nationalism and unity. Soviet propaganda toned down extreme Communist rhetoric of the past as the people now rallied by a belief of protecting their Motherland against the evils of German invaders. Ethnic minorities thought to be collaborators were forced into exile. Religion, which was previously shunned, became a part of Communist Party propaganda campaign in the Soviet society in order to mobilize the religious elements. The social composition of Soviet society changed drastically during the war. There was a burst of marriages in June and July 1941 between people about to be separated by the war and in the next few years the marriage rate dropped off steeply, with the birth rate following shortly thereafter to only about half of what it would have been in peacetime. For this reason mothers with several children during the war received substantial honors and money benefits if they had a great enough number of children—mothers could earn around 1,300 rubles for having their fourth child and earn up to 5,000 rubles for their tenth.[158]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II

Our military didn't do that well in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Why in the world would we want to take on Russia?

I can appreciate your enthusiasm to serve, but there are better places to do it than in Russia.

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Stay out of it Obama seveneyes Feb 2014 #1
Focus is the art of saying no. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #2
No, I want our country to warn Russia they can NOT go in with their military and slaughter everyone! Sunlei Feb 2014 #8
Unlike us, right? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #9
"Warn them?" No, let's just stay OUT of it. Bill76 Feb 2014 #10
Ah. Igel Feb 2014 #29
We always make it worse. Bill76 Feb 2014 #30
Exactly. I mean, we all clearly remember how in 1991, the Russian military went truedelphi Feb 2014 #12
I remember when Russia has gone into its neighbors... Chan790 Mar 2014 #32
I am well aware of Russia's military truedelphi Mar 2014 #37
Well we certainly wouldn't want anyone going around destabilizing other countries. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #3
Yeah, that's OUR gig! [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #14
'there will be costs'. {{{chuckle}}} Purveyor Feb 2014 #4
Exactly. This is the kind of talk that nobody needs. AngryOldDem Feb 2014 #5
Only one way to deal with a bully... hoosierlib Feb 2014 #6
If anyone is gonna bully the world, it's gonna be us! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #11
You realize, of course, that Russia is one of only a few countries that could beat us militarily. Xithras Feb 2014 #13
I wouldn't buy into the fearmongering if I were you. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #23
You should do some research on the consequences of military involvement in Russia.[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #15
yeah, that's what we need. let's burn another decade and few trillion $$$ on senseless war frylock Feb 2014 #19
Have you ever read about Napoleon in Russia? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #20
What? hoosierlib Mar 2014 #34
No need to lecture me on abuse. I lived near the borders with Czechoslovakia and Hungary JDPriestly Mar 2014 #35
Not sure at all where you acquired the information that our war truedelphi Mar 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Feb 2014 #24
now, every one dont freak out.. iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #7
Trade ban would interesting. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #17
Likely outcome. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #22
No red line this time ? dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #16
had to SMH and laugh at Hagel admonishing Putin to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.. frylock Feb 2014 #18
maybe we get our nose out of other people's business before we go telling someone else what to do. olddad56 Feb 2014 #21
Putin knows that there isn't a damn thing Obama can do cosmicone Feb 2014 #25
"Russia can take out our carriers"--um, not really. Not without grave consequences TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #28
Personally I would not recommend a land war in Eurasia fedsron2us Feb 2014 #26
My take is, Russia is lashing out--they lost control of their TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #27
I agree with this alarimer Mar 2014 #36
Our damn government should be helping the US middle class recover, truedelphi Mar 2014 #38
Oh, dear! Do we still have that cool reset button? We're going to need it! Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #31
There should be "costs" and they cannot be military. We don't have to "fight fire with fire". pampango Mar 2014 #33
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