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RobertEarl

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19. Less shackles now than ever, imo

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:37 PM

Mar 2014

Shackles of oppression are at a minimum. President Carter was the man who claimed that henceforth, Human Rights would be the guiding principle, and except for the error of the bush era, the world has been steadily moving forth to freedom.

Russia is probably the most free it has ever been and its people will not be caged again. Ukraine can taste freedom and they will not give up their revolution. We should all support them, but their battle is one they must win on their own.

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Putin ready to invade Ukraine, troops seize Crimea [View all] GliderGuider Mar 2014 OP

Can you say Hungary 1956? warrant46 Mar 2014 #1

And Czechoslovakia 1968... GliderGuider Mar 2014 #4

That Too warrant46 Mar 2014 #5

History will not repeat RobertEarl Mar 2014 #12

Well it is exciting to watch warrant46 Mar 2014 #17

Less shackles now than ever, imo RobertEarl Mar 2014 #19

+1 N/T warrant46 Mar 2014 #21

Sorry, I disagree. Bill76 Mar 2014 #75

RobertEarl, I think you should reconsider your position. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #128

I doubt the protesters who couldn't wait until next elections cosmicone Mar 2014 #46

True enough. Its just to bad the democrats didnt retain control of the house for longer cstanleytech Mar 2014 #66

How dare you? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #97

The peaceful protesters left at some point when a deal was made cosmicone Mar 2014 #116

No. You are wrong RobertEarl Mar 2014 #120

It was a democratically elected government cosmicone Mar 2014 #124

So was Morsi. Igel Mar 2014 #108

Did Not Yanukovytch Dump The Constitution DallasNE Mar 2014 #115

I am always wary MattBaggins Mar 2014 #54

Rarely do armed revolutions lead in the short-term to democracy. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #56

Right. Armed revolution rarely leads to democracy RobertEarl Mar 2014 #99

my thoughts exactly dlwickham Mar 2014 #13

How about Afghanistan hollowdweller Mar 2014 #79

You forgot Finland / Keralia, 1939-40 Demeter Mar 2014 #119

I think the middle and the end will both be bad. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #6

Yes people with 1/2 Cobblestones Vs Tanks warrant46 Mar 2014 #10

This is beginning to get scary. smokey775 Mar 2014 #2

War is always fun for some . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #20

It's usually the chickenhawks who call the loudest smokey775 Mar 2014 #23

Well said, my friend. another_liberal Mar 2014 #24

Why are people supporting Putin's war against the Ukrainians, one has to ask? nt MADem Mar 2014 #31

I wish I had an answer for you my friend. smokey775 Mar 2014 #32

I don't think it's OUR job to solve that problem, but this sucks. MADem Mar 2014 #36

Exactly what is going on. Putin longs for the old Russia and the KGB, and wants to RKP5637 Mar 2014 #62

Who is doing that? another_liberal Mar 2014 #34

There's a ton of "excuse making" up and down this thread. MADem Mar 2014 #37

To be fair, smokey775 Mar 2014 #40

I think he is. MADem Mar 2014 #138

Please what? another_liberal Mar 2014 #42

Would you be ok with christx30 Mar 2014 #48

Let's make that hypothesis more accurate newthinking Mar 2014 #58

There isn't an accurate hypothesis because Ukraine doesn't have the Constitutional options we do. okaawhatever Mar 2014 #86

No, the three parties combined represent a lot of Ukrainians, but not the majority newthinking Mar 2014 #89

Might be even less, I just checked. Fatherland (largest of protests) 20% of seats newthinking Mar 2014 #94

Why Is This An Us Or Them Situation DallasNE Mar 2014 #117

Yes, who is pushing all this besides Putin. amandabeech Mar 2014 #127

We already pretty much pick what government Mexico has. another_liberal Mar 2014 #106

I was referring to Putin christx30 Mar 2014 #110

I understood what you were doing. another_liberal Mar 2014 #111

I seem to remember Feral Child Mar 2014 #50

A shitload of French Canadians live in New England. MADem Mar 2014 #55

I'm with you on this one. The effect of Russian propaganda has amazed me. The Russians had this okaawhatever Mar 2014 #88

Are the French Canadians threatened by mobs of armed, Francophobic fascists? another_liberal Mar 2014 #107

Are the Russians threatened by the Ukrainians? MADem Mar 2014 #118

This board and others, Deep North Mar 2014 #136

Other give-away words: "bandit" and "hooligans". amandabeech Mar 2014 #141

It really isn't cool at all. amandabeech Mar 2014 #129

I think new DUer Deep North figured that out. MADem Mar 2014 #137

Or how about Boris-Vladdie? amandabeech Mar 2014 #140

+1,000 nt MADem Mar 2014 #144

Ukraine trading with the EU does NOT endanger Russia. "Defense"? Get real. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #52

Would you like it if Mexico or Canada "did security" in the USA? MADem Mar 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #63

No--this is all about territory and assets and ports. MADem Mar 2014 #85

When the Israelis attacked Lebanon several years ago, amandabeech Mar 2014 #100

Wow. I can't believe you actually believe that. It's clear you have had a few drinks of Putin okaawhatever Mar 2014 #104

There would be no precedent AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #64

Excuse me? You do know that names like California and Colorado came from our nation's MADem Mar 2014 #72

You are talking to one of them gringo AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #82

Lo siento pero no puedo llorar. MADem Mar 2014 #84

So my allegiance is not to my country? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #87

The point I am making, that is whooshing over your head, is that MADem Mar 2014 #90

Dude AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #91

Yes, reading IS fundamental. MADem Mar 2014 #93

And I pointed AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #98

That is not why this is happening newthinking Mar 2014 #102

It has taken me a long time and reading quite a bit and watching discussions on videos JDPriestly Mar 2014 #61

Unfortunately the press coverage is very uneven newthinking Mar 2014 #65

I am "condemning" him for the same reason I "condemned" Porgie for invading Iraq. MADem Mar 2014 #68

Putin is borrowing a page from 1938 steve2470 Mar 2014 #73

And Putin has the might to steamroll them. MADem Mar 2014 #81

yes he does steve2470 Mar 2014 #83

Stalin killed millions MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #130

I was aware of that steve2470 Mar 2014 #132

Those defending its legitimacy? joshcryer Mar 2014 #126

Because they don't understand the situation. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #60

Precisely! n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #49

I don't think this fun. Not one damned bit. Adrahil Mar 2014 #67

By all means don't look away . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #113

Are you kidding? You really believe that Putin would go down that route? AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #123

Didn't George W Bush look into his eyes and see a kindred spirit... Mike Nelson Mar 2014 #3

+1 nt GliderGuider Mar 2014 #8

GB and Putin are kindred spirits for sure olddad56 Mar 2014 #9

After the "preemptive" invasion of Iraq by the US, Putin probably Laurian Mar 2014 #7

It may come down to that warrant46 Mar 2014 #11

Is there any indication the Russians are making any moves beyond Crimea? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #14

No. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #22

None. newthinking Mar 2014 #70

Putin asked for and got authority to put troops anywhere in Ukraine muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #95

I pray cooler heads and common sense will prevail. Boomerproud Mar 2014 #15

It's Obama's Fault! chuckstevens Mar 2014 #16

Their Talk Has Already Begun........ left on green only Mar 2014 #41

She knows he was not yet President - and knows the Republican President did little karynnj Mar 2014 #44

^^^ Good Point ^^^^ nt left on green only Mar 2014 #45

Give Sarah her due, after all, she can see Russia from her backyard smokey775 Mar 2014 #53

Well, she needs to keep a better eye on Putin awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #71

It probably is Obama's fault cprise Mar 2014 #59

Two things: how did we initiate Yanukovich double-crossing his own people TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #74

Yeah. I've heard that too, "bad deal" and all. But that's up to Ukraine to TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #78

Ukraine requests NATO help Ghost Dog Mar 2014 #80

Standard Russian powerplay. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #18

President Putin, in all fairness, has to take seriously what happens in Ukraine. another_liberal Mar 2014 #25

Agreed Turbineguy Mar 2014 #30

Yes, it's about three hundred miles by road . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #33

I drove up that route, from the Czech-Ukraine border to Moscow, in the summer of 1968 GliderGuider Mar 2014 #38

Invasion or liberation? Depends on who you ask. eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #26

When you compare.... adavid Mar 2014 #27

Yeah, because those Ukrainians are such a threat ... MADem Mar 2014 #29

Have you seen . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #39

The Nukes that Moscow Left Behind...? MADem Mar 2014 #51

Propaganda, smopaganda! another_liberal Mar 2014 #105

Sorry, what you are pushing is the Pootie POV. There is no justification for this invasion, even MADem Mar 2014 #121

You're not suggesting that Putin is afraid that Ukraine is going to invade Russia, are you? pampango Mar 2014 #96

People like the Right Sector and Svoboda fascists . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #103

They are bad guys but a very small part of the Ukrainian government. pampango Mar 2014 #109

All they have to do is kill a few Ukrainian Russians . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #112

Oh please. That is just warmongering. "Putin would have no choice" but to act. pampango Mar 2014 #114

Oh, but isn't he DREAMY....? And MISUNDERSTOOD....? MADem Mar 2014 #28

People said that about Ossetia / Georgia too. chrisa Mar 2014 #35

I don't think it would go back to status quo, I think there'll be West Ukraine TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #47

Ruthenia 2014? It's possible Recursion Mar 2014 #134

I'm betting EU, but no NATO--too threatening. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #135

We're going to be hearing a lot about how the majority of people hedgehog Mar 2014 #43

This doesn't have to go beyond Crimea... Bill76 Mar 2014 #76

All according to Putin's plan. blackspade Mar 2014 #92

Russia won't allow to lose control of crimea, but they wouldn't go to war for the rest of Ukraine. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #101

"I'm beginning to suspect that this thing has the potential to go nuclear." Simply put, no. Just no. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #122

And soon you will understand our 'alliance' with the Saudis. joshcryer Mar 2014 #125

Useful Insight From Juan Cole DallasNE Mar 2014 #131

Excellent historical context, albeit a tad frightening. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #133

Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #139

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