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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:09 PM

Mar 2014

Ukraine has an army which is the 4'th largest in Europe, and have you seen this:

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/

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Putin ready to invade Ukraine, troops seize Crimea [View all] GliderGuider Mar 2014 OP

Can you say Hungary 1956? warrant46 Mar 2014 #1

And Czechoslovakia 1968... GliderGuider Mar 2014 #4

That Too warrant46 Mar 2014 #5

History will not repeat RobertEarl Mar 2014 #12

Well it is exciting to watch warrant46 Mar 2014 #17

Less shackles now than ever, imo RobertEarl Mar 2014 #19

+1 N/T warrant46 Mar 2014 #21

Sorry, I disagree. Bill76 Mar 2014 #75

RobertEarl, I think you should reconsider your position. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #128

I doubt the protesters who couldn't wait until next elections cosmicone Mar 2014 #46

True enough. Its just to bad the democrats didnt retain control of the house for longer cstanleytech Mar 2014 #66

How dare you? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #97

The peaceful protesters left at some point when a deal was made cosmicone Mar 2014 #116

No. You are wrong RobertEarl Mar 2014 #120

It was a democratically elected government cosmicone Mar 2014 #124

So was Morsi. Igel Mar 2014 #108

Did Not Yanukovytch Dump The Constitution DallasNE Mar 2014 #115

I am always wary MattBaggins Mar 2014 #54

Rarely do armed revolutions lead in the short-term to democracy. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #56

Right. Armed revolution rarely leads to democracy RobertEarl Mar 2014 #99

my thoughts exactly dlwickham Mar 2014 #13

How about Afghanistan hollowdweller Mar 2014 #79

You forgot Finland / Keralia, 1939-40 Demeter Mar 2014 #119

I think the middle and the end will both be bad. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #6

Yes people with 1/2 Cobblestones Vs Tanks warrant46 Mar 2014 #10

This is beginning to get scary. smokey775 Mar 2014 #2

War is always fun for some . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #20

It's usually the chickenhawks who call the loudest smokey775 Mar 2014 #23

Well said, my friend. another_liberal Mar 2014 #24

Why are people supporting Putin's war against the Ukrainians, one has to ask? nt MADem Mar 2014 #31

I wish I had an answer for you my friend. smokey775 Mar 2014 #32

I don't think it's OUR job to solve that problem, but this sucks. MADem Mar 2014 #36

Exactly what is going on. Putin longs for the old Russia and the KGB, and wants to RKP5637 Mar 2014 #62

Who is doing that? another_liberal Mar 2014 #34

There's a ton of "excuse making" up and down this thread. MADem Mar 2014 #37

To be fair, smokey775 Mar 2014 #40

I think he is. MADem Mar 2014 #138

Please what? another_liberal Mar 2014 #42

Would you be ok with christx30 Mar 2014 #48

Let's make that hypothesis more accurate newthinking Mar 2014 #58

There isn't an accurate hypothesis because Ukraine doesn't have the Constitutional options we do. okaawhatever Mar 2014 #86

No, the three parties combined represent a lot of Ukrainians, but not the majority newthinking Mar 2014 #89

Might be even less, I just checked. Fatherland (largest of protests) 20% of seats newthinking Mar 2014 #94

Why Is This An Us Or Them Situation DallasNE Mar 2014 #117

Yes, who is pushing all this besides Putin. amandabeech Mar 2014 #127

We already pretty much pick what government Mexico has. another_liberal Mar 2014 #106

I was referring to Putin christx30 Mar 2014 #110

I understood what you were doing. another_liberal Mar 2014 #111

I seem to remember Feral Child Mar 2014 #50

A shitload of French Canadians live in New England. MADem Mar 2014 #55

I'm with you on this one. The effect of Russian propaganda has amazed me. The Russians had this okaawhatever Mar 2014 #88

Are the French Canadians threatened by mobs of armed, Francophobic fascists? another_liberal Mar 2014 #107

Are the Russians threatened by the Ukrainians? MADem Mar 2014 #118

This board and others, Deep North Mar 2014 #136

Other give-away words: "bandit" and "hooligans". amandabeech Mar 2014 #141

It really isn't cool at all. amandabeech Mar 2014 #129

I think new DUer Deep North figured that out. MADem Mar 2014 #137

Or how about Boris-Vladdie? amandabeech Mar 2014 #140

+1,000 nt MADem Mar 2014 #144

Ukraine trading with the EU does NOT endanger Russia. "Defense"? Get real. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #52

Would you like it if Mexico or Canada "did security" in the USA? MADem Mar 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #63

No--this is all about territory and assets and ports. MADem Mar 2014 #85

When the Israelis attacked Lebanon several years ago, amandabeech Mar 2014 #100

Wow. I can't believe you actually believe that. It's clear you have had a few drinks of Putin okaawhatever Mar 2014 #104

There would be no precedent AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #64

Excuse me? You do know that names like California and Colorado came from our nation's MADem Mar 2014 #72

You are talking to one of them gringo AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #82

Lo siento pero no puedo llorar. MADem Mar 2014 #84

So my allegiance is not to my country? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #87

The point I am making, that is whooshing over your head, is that MADem Mar 2014 #90

Dude AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #91

Yes, reading IS fundamental. MADem Mar 2014 #93

And I pointed AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #98

That is not why this is happening newthinking Mar 2014 #102

It has taken me a long time and reading quite a bit and watching discussions on videos JDPriestly Mar 2014 #61

Unfortunately the press coverage is very uneven newthinking Mar 2014 #65

I am "condemning" him for the same reason I "condemned" Porgie for invading Iraq. MADem Mar 2014 #68

Putin is borrowing a page from 1938 steve2470 Mar 2014 #73

And Putin has the might to steamroll them. MADem Mar 2014 #81

yes he does steve2470 Mar 2014 #83

Stalin killed millions MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #130

I was aware of that steve2470 Mar 2014 #132

Those defending its legitimacy? joshcryer Mar 2014 #126

Because they don't understand the situation. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #60

Precisely! n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #49

I don't think this fun. Not one damned bit. Adrahil Mar 2014 #67

By all means don't look away . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #113

Are you kidding? You really believe that Putin would go down that route? AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #123

Didn't George W Bush look into his eyes and see a kindred spirit... Mike Nelson Mar 2014 #3

+1 nt GliderGuider Mar 2014 #8

GB and Putin are kindred spirits for sure olddad56 Mar 2014 #9

After the "preemptive" invasion of Iraq by the US, Putin probably Laurian Mar 2014 #7

It may come down to that warrant46 Mar 2014 #11

Is there any indication the Russians are making any moves beyond Crimea? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #14

No. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #22

None. newthinking Mar 2014 #70

Putin asked for and got authority to put troops anywhere in Ukraine muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #95

I pray cooler heads and common sense will prevail. Boomerproud Mar 2014 #15

It's Obama's Fault! chuckstevens Mar 2014 #16

Their Talk Has Already Begun........ left on green only Mar 2014 #41

She knows he was not yet President - and knows the Republican President did little karynnj Mar 2014 #44

^^^ Good Point ^^^^ nt left on green only Mar 2014 #45

Give Sarah her due, after all, she can see Russia from her backyard smokey775 Mar 2014 #53

Well, she needs to keep a better eye on Putin awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #71

It probably is Obama's fault cprise Mar 2014 #59

Two things: how did we initiate Yanukovich double-crossing his own people TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #74

Yeah. I've heard that too, "bad deal" and all. But that's up to Ukraine to TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #78

Ukraine requests NATO help Ghost Dog Mar 2014 #80

Standard Russian powerplay. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #18

President Putin, in all fairness, has to take seriously what happens in Ukraine. another_liberal Mar 2014 #25

Agreed Turbineguy Mar 2014 #30

Yes, it's about three hundred miles by road . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #33

I drove up that route, from the Czech-Ukraine border to Moscow, in the summer of 1968 GliderGuider Mar 2014 #38

Invasion or liberation? Depends on who you ask. eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #26

When you compare.... adavid Mar 2014 #27

Yeah, because those Ukrainians are such a threat ... MADem Mar 2014 #29

Have you seen . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #39

The Nukes that Moscow Left Behind...? MADem Mar 2014 #51

Propaganda, smopaganda! another_liberal Mar 2014 #105

Sorry, what you are pushing is the Pootie POV. There is no justification for this invasion, even MADem Mar 2014 #121

You're not suggesting that Putin is afraid that Ukraine is going to invade Russia, are you? pampango Mar 2014 #96

People like the Right Sector and Svoboda fascists . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #103

They are bad guys but a very small part of the Ukrainian government. pampango Mar 2014 #109

All they have to do is kill a few Ukrainian Russians . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #112

Oh please. That is just warmongering. "Putin would have no choice" but to act. pampango Mar 2014 #114

Oh, but isn't he DREAMY....? And MISUNDERSTOOD....? MADem Mar 2014 #28

People said that about Ossetia / Georgia too. chrisa Mar 2014 #35

I don't think it would go back to status quo, I think there'll be West Ukraine TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #47

Ruthenia 2014? It's possible Recursion Mar 2014 #134

I'm betting EU, but no NATO--too threatening. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #135

We're going to be hearing a lot about how the majority of people hedgehog Mar 2014 #43

This doesn't have to go beyond Crimea... Bill76 Mar 2014 #76

All according to Putin's plan. blackspade Mar 2014 #92

Russia won't allow to lose control of crimea, but they wouldn't go to war for the rest of Ukraine. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #101

"I'm beginning to suspect that this thing has the potential to go nuclear." Simply put, no. Just no. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #122

And soon you will understand our 'alliance' with the Saudis. joshcryer Mar 2014 #125

Useful Insight From Juan Cole DallasNE Mar 2014 #131

Excellent historical context, albeit a tad frightening. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #133

Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #139

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