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In reply to the discussion: Putin ready to invade Ukraine, troops seize Crimea [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)109. They are bad guys but a very small part of the Ukrainian government.
...people like the "Right Sector" and "Svoboda" fascists are capable of causing almost any imaginable kind of damage and mayhem in the border regions of Russia.
There is a lot of hyperbole there. But even if it were true, you don't get to invade countries because of what that country MIGHT do at some point on the future - much less what a small group in that country might do one day.
The far-right is stronger in France, the Netherlands, Austria among other European countries. That does not give Germany the right to invade those countries to prevent the damage that those fascists could do to Germany one day.
The Russian media continually make the claim that the Ukrainians who protest are Nazis. Naturally, it is important to be attentive to the far right in Ukrainian politics and history. It is still a serious presence today, although less important than the far right in France, Austria, or the Netherlands. Yet it is the Ukrainian regime rather than its opponents that resorts to anti-Semitism, instructing its riot police that the opposition is led by Jews. In other words, the Ukrainian government is telling itself that its opponents are Jews and us that its opponents are Nazis.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/mar/20/fascism-russia-and-ukraine/
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/mar/20/fascism-russia-and-ukraine/
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True enough. Its just to bad the democrats didnt retain control of the house for longer
cstanleytech
Mar 2014
#66
Exactly what is going on. Putin longs for the old Russia and the KGB, and wants to
RKP5637
Mar 2014
#62
There isn't an accurate hypothesis because Ukraine doesn't have the Constitutional options we do.
okaawhatever
Mar 2014
#86
No, the three parties combined represent a lot of Ukrainians, but not the majority
newthinking
Mar 2014
#89
Might be even less, I just checked. Fatherland (largest of protests) 20% of seats
newthinking
Mar 2014
#94
I'm with you on this one. The effect of Russian propaganda has amazed me. The Russians had this
okaawhatever
Mar 2014
#88
Are the French Canadians threatened by mobs of armed, Francophobic fascists?
another_liberal
Mar 2014
#107
Ukraine trading with the EU does NOT endanger Russia. "Defense"? Get real. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2014
#77
Wow. I can't believe you actually believe that. It's clear you have had a few drinks of Putin
okaawhatever
Mar 2014
#104
Excuse me? You do know that names like California and Colorado came from our nation's
MADem
Mar 2014
#72
It has taken me a long time and reading quite a bit and watching discussions on videos
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#61
I am "condemning" him for the same reason I "condemned" Porgie for invading Iraq.
MADem
Mar 2014
#68
Is there any indication the Russians are making any moves beyond Crimea?
Comrade Grumpy
Mar 2014
#14
Putin asked for and got authority to put troops anywhere in Ukraine
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2014
#95
She knows he was not yet President - and knows the Republican President did little
karynnj
Mar 2014
#44
Two things: how did we initiate Yanukovich double-crossing his own people
TwilightGardener
Mar 2014
#69
Yeah. I've heard that too, "bad deal" and all. But that's up to Ukraine to
TwilightGardener
Mar 2014
#78
President Putin, in all fairness, has to take seriously what happens in Ukraine.
another_liberal
Mar 2014
#25
I drove up that route, from the Czech-Ukraine border to Moscow, in the summer of 1968
GliderGuider
Mar 2014
#38
Sorry, what you are pushing is the Pootie POV. There is no justification for this invasion, even
MADem
Mar 2014
#121
You're not suggesting that Putin is afraid that Ukraine is going to invade Russia, are you?
pampango
Mar 2014
#96
Oh please. That is just warmongering. "Putin would have no choice" but to act.
pampango
Mar 2014
#114
I don't think it would go back to status quo, I think there'll be West Ukraine
TwilightGardener
Mar 2014
#47
Russia won't allow to lose control of crimea, but they wouldn't go to war for the rest of Ukraine.
Democracyinkind
Mar 2014
#101
"I'm beginning to suspect that this thing has the potential to go nuclear." Simply put, no. Just no.
AverageJoe90
Mar 2014
#122